[chinniciF32]

I was wondering is it possible to run at least 400WHP on a MHD Stage 2+ EWG N55? (without a turbo upgrade), and if so what additional mods would I need?

right now I'm FBO (VRSF catted DP, FTP CP, CTS IC 5") everything else is stock (plan on at least upgrading the coils, plugs, and installing a CAI not sure if that will make a noticeable difference).

Would like somewhere between 400-420 whp

[thejeremyman9]

You probably wont make it on a OTS map, even with E20 S2+.

You can make over 400whp with stock turbo, but you will need a custom tune. Depending on your fuel, you will likely also need a HPFP. BMWDIYGUY made about 430whp IIRC on 93 pump gas, custom tune, FBO, HPFP. I think he has an inlet, but i am not sure if he did at the time of the tune, you would have to dig back into the thread. Others have made in the low 400s with E-mixes but you definitely need a HPFP for that.

So if you want to "safely" (in terms of fuel) make low 400s you need a HPFP, custom tune, and FBO. And probably good pump gas quality and/or E85 access.

[5w20]

I know the BM3 OTS E30 map is close to or right at 400whp.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by 5w20

I know the BM3 OTS E30 map is close to or right at 400whp.

Yeah i think it is close, and its also right at the limit of the HPFP. For example some people see HPFP pressure crashes when its cold outside (say <50F) with that much ethanol on that tune.

The MHD tune is more conservative in terms of both power output and ethanol content. I am on the MHD S2+ E20 tune and i have started to see small dips in HPFP pressure with around E25, so i wouldnt really push any higher in terms of boost or ethanol without a HPFP. Thats at abour 75F ambient temps.

I think getting fixated on numbers is unnecessary personally due to all the variation between dynos, etc, but that's just me. I just want a tune that runs right, consistently, and is not pushing hardware to the limit.

[chinniciF32]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

You probably wont make it on a OTS map, even with E20 S2+.

You can make over 400whp with stock turbo, but you will need a custom tune. Depending on your fuel, you will likely also need a HPFP. BMWDIYGUY made about 430whp IIRC on 93 pump gas, custom tune, FBO, HPFP. I think he has an inlet, but i am not sure if he did at the time of the tune, you would have to dig back into the thread. Others have made in the low 400s with E-mixes but you definitely need a HPFP for that.

So if you want to "safely" (in terms of fuel) make low 400s you need a HPFP, custom tune, and FBO. And probably good pump gas quality and/or E85 access.

Right so Custom Tune, and an HPFP, luckily for me I have access to e85 mix at a shell about 12 miles from my house.

Yea really I would just like something a little over 400WHP just so when I tell people the car has a little over 400HP I wont feel like i'm lying (im technically not lying now but saying you have 400 hp when its at the crank makes me feel like im lying lol), I also wouldn't mind pulling/gapping stock charger r/t's, q50/60 Red sports, and s5's and c43's

[chinniciF32]

Originally Posted by 5w20

I know the BM3 OTS E30 map is close to or right at 400whp.

Really? I didn't know that I just bought MHD last month so I wasn't certain which one to go with my friend told me that MHD has more tuning potential, he really didn't go into details but he knows his stuff (drives a heavily modded e92 n54 about 600whp) Maybe Ill try BM3 in the future(just to compare) before I do a custom tune with Twisted Tuning up in NY.

I agree with numbers aren't really a big deal to me which is why i'd like to just pierce the 400whp threshold and anything after that isn't a big deal to me, I just love the torque pushing you back in your seat the way it does now. plus the modern competitor cars to the 4 are pushing higher stock power output numbers these days (trying to keep my car relevant)

[ronanz]

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

Really? I didn't know that I just bought MHD last month so I wasn't certain which one to go with my friend told me that MHD has more tuning potential, he really didn't go into details but he knows his stuff (drives a heavily modded e92 n54 about 600whp) Maybe Ill try BM3 in the future(just to compare) before I do a custom tune with Twisted Tuning up in NY.

I agree with numbers aren't really a big deal to me which is why i'd like to just pierce the 400whp threshold and anything after that isn't a big deal to me, I just love the torque pushing you back in your seat the way it does now. plus the modern competitor cars to the 4 are pushing higher stock power output numbers these days (trying to keep my car relevant)

Definitely not the case...sounds like your friend may "know" e92's which is why he recommended MHD

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[5w20]

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

Right so Custom Tune, and an HPFP, luckily for me I have access to e85 mix at a shell about 12 miles from my house.

Yea really I would just like something a little over 400WHP just so when I tell people the car has a little over 400HP I wont feel like i'm lying (im technically not lying now but saying you have 400 hp when its at the crank makes me feel like im lying lol), I also wouldn't mind pulling/gapping stock charger r/t's, q50/60 Red sports, and s5's and c43's

https://www.instagram.com/_ayyyy_its_me/

I've beat all those on your list besides a C43, because I haven't had the opportunity. Check out some of my videos, about half of the videos are on stg2 93oct and the other half stg2 E30. Sadly there's a lot of runs that I didn't record.

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

Really? I didn't know that I just bought MHD last month so I wasn't certain which one to go with my friend told me that MHD has more tuning potential, he really didn't go into details but he knows his stuff (drives a heavily modded e92 n54 about 600whp) Maybe Ill try BM3 in the future(just to compare) before I do a custom tune with Twisted Tuning up in NY.

I agree with numbers aren't really a big deal to me which is why i'd like to just pierce the 400whp threshold and anything after that isn't a big deal to me, I just love the torque pushing you back in your seat the way it does now. plus the modern competitor cars to the 4 are pushing higher stock power output numbers these days (trying to keep my car relevant)

Like Ronanz said, I would definitely recommend MHD for an E92. Either way, I don't think you could go wrong with either MHD or BM3 on a F3x chassis.

[chinniciF32]

Originally Posted by ronanz

Definitely not the case...sounds like your friend may "know" e92's which is why he recommended MHD

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Exactly, that's why posted on here its always good to get different opinions especially from the seasoned enthusiasts. I see your running BM3 and it seems to be pretty popular so I think it will be worth shoveling over the 600+$ and buying it.

Off topic but I just installed the VRSF catted DP this monday paired with the MPE and the sound is perfect (dont know if you remember but you recommended a DP with MPE in one of my comments from another post) thanks.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

Exactly, that's why posted on here its always good to get different opinions especially from the seasoned enthusiasts. I see your running BM3 and it seems to be pretty popular so I think it will be worth shoveling over the 600+$ and buying it.

Off topic but I just installed the VRSF catted DP this monday paired with the MPE and the sound is perfect (dont know if you remember but you recommended a DP with MPE in one of my comments from another post) thanks.

If you are going to get a custom tune anyways then just choose whatever platform you like better in terms of flashing, monitoring, device compatibility, etc. Both BM3 and MHD are popular, both make good torque/power, and you can't really go wrong with either.

[Munchi435i]

To get to your whp goal you will need the following.

Custom tune
Upgraded HPFP
FBO

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by Munchi435i

To get to your whp goal you will need the following.

Custom tune
Upgraded HPFP
FBO

This is the TLDR for my first post, lol.

[borboa]

Ofcourse you can. I got 414whp and 474 ft-lbs
This are my mods

ER Intercooler.
Injen Intake.
ER Charpipe.
MHD Stage 2+ e20
AFE Downpipe.
AEM WMI.
GFB dv+.
3.5 bar tmap
NGK 2step colder
Resonator delete
Custome exhaust
N20 tmap.
XHP stage 3.
Toyo r888r tires
Koni shoks

[hoobawhat?]

With the MHD, is anyone here running the custom tune or an OTS map with a jb4 backend? I don't know what it is, maybe the lack of customer service and shotty build (though some great technology thought into it), but the jb4 seems like it's a dying breed. I ask because I am considering this setup, but would like some input regarding the jb4 and it's reliability on the car when stacked with either MHD or BM3. So many I've seen are ditching this prehistoric piece of plastic, and going full flash.

Also, not sure who's around lately, but anyone can reccomend a good/excellent remote tuner to build me a custom flash map utilizing mhd or bm3?

[Tpriest7893]

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

Right so Custom Tune, and an HPFP, luckily for me I have access to e85 mix at a shell about 12 miles from my house.

Yea really I would just like something a little over 400WHP just so when I tell people the car has a little over 400HP I wont feel like i'm lying (im technically not lying now but saying you have 400 hp when its at the crank makes me feel like im lying lol), I also wouldn't mind pulling/gapping stock charger r/t's, q50/60 Red sports, and s5's and c43's

Time for an m series or something man haha

[Jnat]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Yeah i think it is close, and its also right at the limit of the HPFP. For example some people see HPFP pressure crashes when its cold outside (say <50F) with that much ethanol on that tune.

The MHD tune is more conservative in terms of both power output and ethanol content. I am on the MHD S2+ E20 tune and i have started to see small dips in HPFP pressure with around E25, so i wouldnt really push any higher in terms of boost or ethanol without a HPFP. Thats at abour 75F ambient temps.

I think getting fixated on numbers is unnecessary personally due to all the variation between dynos, etc, but that's just me. I just want a tune that runs right, consistently, and is not pushing hardware to the limit.

I think that's a great point. Seems that the idea of being even slightly conservative is lacking. If it's for a daily driven street car, dialing it down a notch or two is fine and good for parts, IMO.

[chinniciF32]

Originally Posted by borboa

Ofcourse you can. I got 414whp and 474 ft-lbs
This are my mods

ER Intercooler.
Injen Intake.
ER Charpipe.
MHD Stage 2+ e20
AFE Downpipe.
AEM WMI.
GFB dv+.
3.5 bar tmap
NGK 2step colder
Resonator delete
Custome exhaust
N20 tmap.
XHP stage 3.
Toyo r888r tires
Koni shoks

Wow that quite the list man, Probably do the NGK plugs & BAutsport Performance coils, probably do Magnum F stg2 CAI(I like how its enclosed), XHP? ive hear others mention it but im not sure if it would benefit me since I already have MHD (knowledge is limited to flash tunes).

Side note* assuming you film your runs, it must be nice to live in Mexico and do runs versus the rest of us having to drive all the way down to "Mexico" everytime

[chinniciF32]

Originally Posted by Tpriest7893

Time for an m series or something man haha

lol yea or atleast a b58 f32

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by borboa

Ofcourse you can. I got 414whp and 474 ft-lbs
This are my mods

ER Intercooler.
Injen Intake.
ER Charpipe.
MHD Stage 2+ e20
AFE Downpipe.
AEM WMI.
GFB dv+.
3.5 bar tmap
NGK 2step colder
Resonator delete
Custome exhaust
N20 tmap.
XHP stage 3.
Toyo r888r tires
Koni shoks

100whp lost in 1000rpm - goodness that power looks terrible.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by hoobawhat?

With the MHD, is anyone here running the custom tune or an OTS map with a jb4 backend? I don't know what it is, maybe the lack of customer service and shotty build (though some great technology thought into it), but the jb4 seems like it's a dying breed. I ask because I am considering this setup, but would like some input regarding the jb4 and it's reliability on the car when stacked with either MHD or BM3. So many I've seen are ditching this prehistoric piece of plastic, and going full flash.

Also, not sure who's around lately, but anyone can reccomend a good/excellent remote tuner to build me a custom flash map utilizing mhd or bm3?

There was just a thread recently about who uses JB4 still, just read that.

There is also a new ongoing thread about custom tuner recommendations...

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by borboa

Ofcourse you can. I got 414whp and 474 ft-lbs
This are my mods

ER Intercooler.
Injen Intake.
ER Charpipe.
MHD Stage 2+ e20
AFE Downpipe.
AEM WMI.
GFB dv+.
3.5 bar tmap
NGK 2step colder
Resonator delete
Custome exhaust
N20 tmap.
XHP stage 3.
Toyo r888r tires
Koni shoks

Dude, your dyno runs have a 1.27 CF? Wtf? Of course they are showing big numbers with a correction factor that big lol. Divide the results by 1.27 to see the power the car actually put down.

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

Wow that quite the list man, Probably do the NGK plugs & BAutsport Performance coils, probably do Magnum F stg2 CAI(I like how its enclosed), XHP? ive hear others mention it but im not sure if it would benefit me since I already have MHD (knowledge is limited to flash tunes).

Side note* assuming you film your runs, it must be nice to live in Mexico and do runs versus the rest of us having to drive all the way down to "Mexico" everytime

You should just get XHP honestly. I waited quite a while after going MHD to get XHP, but just as everyone else says, you will wish you did it sooner once you do it. XHP is a transmission tune, totally separate from MHD, but compliments the extra power nicely (and "properly" removes 3rd and 6th torque limits so you can get full power in those gears).

[Tpriest7893]

Originally Posted by chinniciF32

lol yea or atleast a b58 f32

Yes very true! Forgot the b58 is got a little more power as well! I love my n55 but I can't wait for an upgrade in the near future!