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      08-28-2019, 10:10 PM   #1
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Water injection kit install quote

Has anyone had a water/meth injection kit installed by a shop?
How long did it take and what’s the labor cost like for something like this?

I’m waiting to hear back from someone who does this on the side and has a good reputation and want to know what to expect and what’s reasonable
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Has anyone had a water/meth injection kit installed by a shop?
How long did it take and what's the labor cost like for something like this?

I'm waiting to hear back from someone who does this on the side and has a good reputation and want to know what to expect and what's reasonable
I was quoted $550USD to start, which seems a bit much. But he is experienced, was recommended by another forum member, has been doing this a while and has been prompt/professional with emails. I think you might have reached out to the same guy. Maybe we can get a deal if we go together!
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$550 seems like a lot to me. I wouldn't pay $550 for someone to install a WMI kit, however, I wouldn't install a WMI kit for someone else for less than $550 so maybe it's a good deal
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I was quoted $550USD to start, which seems a bit much. But he is experienced, was recommended by another forum member, has been doing this a while and has been prompt/professional with emails. I think you might have reached out to the same guy. Maybe we can get a deal if we go together!
I’m in Washington state
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$550 seems like a lot to me. I wouldn't pay $550 for someone to install a WMI kit, however, I wouldn't install a WMI kit for someone else for less than $550 so maybe it's a good deal
Let’s hope it’s not more than like $500. Because after that I also need a custom tune which is another $500

P.S. without a custom tune, you only get the cooling benefits of WMI, no real power increase, correct?
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$550 seems like a lot to me. I wouldn't pay $550 for someone to install a WMI kit, however, I wouldn't install a WMI kit for someone else for less than $550 so maybe it's a good deal
Let’s hope it’s not more than like $500. Because after that I also need a custom tune which is another $500

P.S. without a custom tune, you only get the cooling benefits of WMI, no real power increase, correct?
Depends on which kit is being installed I would say. A Torquebyte Kit is way more involved than an AEM kit for example. I would charge $200 to install an AEM kit since they're pretty simple and I've installed a few of them.
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$550 seems like a lot to me. I wouldn't pay $550 for someone to install a WMI kit, however, I wouldn't install a WMI kit for someone else for less than $550 so maybe it's a good deal
Let’s hope it’s not more than like $500. Because after that I also need a custom tune which is another $500

P.S. without a custom tune, you only get the cooling benefits of WMI, no real power increase, correct?
Depends on which kit is being installed I would say. A Torquebyte Kit is way more involved than an AEM kit for example. I would charge $200 to install an AEM kit since they're pretty simple and I've installed a few of them.
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Depends on which kit is being installed I would say. A Torquebyte Kit is way more involved than an AEM kit for example. I would charge $200 to install an AEM kit since they're pretty simple and I've installed a few of them.
What time is your flight to Seattle?
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The individual I’ve been in contact with makes his own custom kits. I told him he could use the kit AEM sells and he said he only uses a couple of components from AEM and combines with other items as he sees fit or depending on owner expectations and wants.
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Depends on which kit is being installed I would say. A Torquebyte Kit is way more involved than an AEM kit for example. I would charge $200 to install an AEM kit since they're pretty simple and I've installed a few of them.
What time is your flight to Seattle?
If you were local I'd install it for a case of beer lol.
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If you were local I'd install it for a case of beer lol.
Do you feel any power increase from your AEM kit? It should be the equivalent of running 100 octane, correct? Do you feel that or there has to be a custom tune to take advantage to that 100 octane equivalent?
Just like we have different maps for different mods and octane ratings...we would need one for this, right?
Just want to know what to expect and make sure it’s money well spent. I’m also hoping that it will help run the Stage 2H map well.
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If you were local I'd install it for a case of beer lol.
Do you feel any power increase from your AEM kit? It should be the equivalent of running 100 octane, correct? Do you feel that or there has to be a custom tune to take advantage to that 100 octane equivalent?
Just like we have different maps for different mods and octane ratings...we would need one for this, right?
Just want to know what to expect and make sure it’s money well spent. I’m also hoping that it will help run the Stage 2H map well.
Water/meth kits are great for people that don't have access to good quality gas. Only downfall is if the kit stops working for any reason, you're back to square one with being low on octane.

I've never had issues with kits. I personally really enjoy running them on my cars.

I'm currently in the process of dialing in a custom tune with a well known tuner and you can literally see the difference between tunes on what the kit provides in terms of fuel.
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Sorry for being a meth newbie but I live in Arizona and we have crappy 91 and really hot iat's. I'm really just looking for a solution to run to compensate for our bad 91. I'm not looking to spend a lot of money and have bm3 and don't really want to run jb4. Is the aem kit the best bet for someone like me? I already have a cp with the meth bung so trying to weight out the cost to benefit ratio.
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Sorry for being a meth newbie but I live in Arizona and we have crappy 91 and really hot iat's. I'm really just looking for a solution to run to compensate for our bad 91. I'm not looking to spend a lot of money and have bm3 and don't really want to run jb4. Is the aem kit the best bet for someone like me? I already have a cp with the meth bung so trying to weight out the cost to benefit ratio.
Same question here as I'm stuck with crappy Cali 91.
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I'm going to remember this when I get around to pulling the trigger on a kit

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If you were local I'd install it for a case of beer lol.
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Less than your monthly payment on the 720s sounds about right.
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If you were local I'd install it for a case of beer lol.
The offer is open to you as well Jared!
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$550 seems like a lot to me. I wouldn't pay $550 for someone to install a WMI kit, however, I wouldn't install a WMI kit for someone else for less than $550 so maybe it's a good deal
This is great lol
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I have been running meth for +3 years. Primary reason is fueling to run +20psi on Pure Stage 2.
I ran JB4 meth injection for 2 years and it worked great even though it was a simple on/off system - 100% or nothing. This even at 23psi injecting massive amounts of 100% meth.
Whether a controller has progressive flow - I would not care. Not even the safety features are all that important as the N55 is extremely good at protecting itself. Knowing what I know now I would go with a kit like the Snow stg1 - especially if you dont use the kit for fueling but just for cooling and octane.

Further more. A kit can be installed with fairly simple tools - if you do any sort of DIY then you can do this also.
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I have been running meth for +3 years. Primary reason is fueling to run +20psi on Pure Stage 2.
I ran JB4 meth injection for 2 years and it worked great even though it was a simple on/off system - 100% or nothing. This even at 23psi injecting massive amounts of 100% meth.
Whether a controller has progressive flow - I would not care. Not even the safety features are all that important as the N55 is extremely good at protecting itself. Knowing what I know now I would go with a kit like the Snow stg1 - especially if you dont use the kit for fueling but just for cooling and octane.
Awesome! Thank you for your advice and I'll start looking at that kit
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I have been running meth for +3 years. Primary reason is fueling to run +20psi on Pure Stage 2.
I ran JB4 meth injection for 2 years and it worked great even though it was a simple on/off system - 100% or nothing. This even at 23psi injecting massive amounts of 100% meth.
Whether a controller has progressive flow - I would not care. Not even the safety features are all that important as the N55 is extremely good at protecting itself. Knowing what I know now I would go with a kit like the Snow stg1 - especially if you dont use the kit for fueling but just for cooling and octane.

Further more. A kit can be installed with fairly simple tools - if you do any sort of DIY then you can do this also.
What kind of power increase should one expect when using the kit for cooling and octane? And perhaps a custom tune to take advantage of it?
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I have been running meth for +3 years. Primary reason is fueling to run +20psi on Pure Stage 2.
I ran JB4 meth injection for 2 years and it worked great even though it was a simple on/off system - 100% or nothing. This even at 23psi injecting massive amounts of 100% meth.
Whether a controller has progressive flow - I would not care. Not even the safety features are all that important as the N55 is extremely good at protecting itself. Knowing what I know now I would go with a kit like the Snow stg1 - especially if you dont use the kit for fueling but just for cooling and octane.

Further more. A kit can be installed with fairly simple tools - if you do any sort of DIY then you can do this also.
What kind of power increase should one expect when using the kit for cooling and octane? And perhaps a custom tune to take advantage of it?
I'm currently in the process of getting a custom tune with my meth kit. So far, there is a MAJOR butt dyno improvement going from the 2H E30 Map(17.2psi) to my custom tune which targets just over 20psi at the moment. I'll post a log of the last tune revision I'm on with my meth tune.
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