[dbjunction]

There was a lot of talk here around how some of the bugs found in 2019 cars, being first year of tthe model run, will probably get sorted out in 2020. Now that many folks have received their 2020s (mine is still not here), what's the early verdict?

Some issues that I have seen mentioned in 2019s (few were fixed with dealer repairs or updates)-

- Cornering lights not working
- Cross traffic alert issues
- Carplay issues
- Car seat wrinkles
- Cars not coming with latest available software version
- Whistling sounds at high speeds
- July software update breaking random things (do all 2020 come with July update?)
- Remote start/ 3D view not working
- Camera view not flipping from forward to rear on gear change


These are the ones I recall mentioned by few folks here for 2019 models.

[TJ_BMW]

I have seen 2020 M50i's with wrinkly seats. Although it's improved.

[eagle_bmw]

There were also reports of roof rail omission in earlier builds.

[dbjunction]

Originally Posted by eagle_bmw

There were also reports of roof rail omission in earlier builds.

Yes...mine too seems to have that problem, atleast going by the pics on bmwusa owners page. I think the issue is limited to M50i.

[MystroX5]

Maybe and you probably will have all new M50i problems like no roof rails. Welcome to owning a cutting edge vehicle. There will always be degrees of software issues and firmware updates. I dont believe waiting till 2020 over 2019 will offer any advantages.

[mrjoed2]

2020 X5 will have less issues than the 2019. Simply par for the course with any all new model, especially a high end with many additional features, both standard and optional. The supply chain will have matured & you can be assured some revised electronic components are installed. Data from dealers & warranty claims also drive enhancements both hardware & software. While their will always be additional software updates, the big ones are baked in to the 2020.

[2skivt]

Has the cold steering problem been addressed ?

Ski 45+ days a year in Vermont. Cold weather steering problems are a deal killer.

Considering ordering 2020 X5 in the next few weeks or maybe waiting till after ski season if cold weather steering is still a problem.

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...eering+problem

[Aimster82]

I dont have any issues with my x5 , it's a may build

[AndroidRobot]

I hope not, perhaps they addresses some if the more rampant ones, only time will tell.

[///Pip]

Watched a reviewer who said that the "wrinkly seats" are by design ... BMW added extra leather for comfort ...

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by ///Pip

Watched a reviewer who said that the "wrinkly seats" are by design ... BMW added extra leather for comfort ...

We've gone through this many times. Bottom line: if it was by design, all cars with same leather package would be the same-ish. Instead, there is a wide variance of wrinkleness observed. As well, promotion photos used to show perfectly taught leather. Summing it all up, this is a bug, not a feature. Having said that, it seems the plant or supplier has tightened up the controls a bit and the more recent ones are less wrinkly that the earlier ones in general.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by ///Pip

Watched a reviewer who said that the "wrinkly seats" are by design ... BMW added extra leather for comfort ...

They are correct. The "wrinkles" are purposely there to make the seats more comfortable since they received a lot of complaints about the back seats in the previous version. Obviously when dealing with a natural product there will be some differences in the outcome but for the overwhelming majority of seats produced the "wrinkles" are in a pattern.

[dbjunction]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

They are correct. The "wrinkles" are purposely there to make the seats more comfortable since they received a lot of complaints about the back seats in the previous version. Obviously when dealing with a natural product there will be some differences in the outcome but for the overwhelming majority of seats produced the "wrinkles" are in a pattern.

Do X7s also have wrinkles? That is supposed to be more "comfortable". I looked at the X7 forum and didnt see any thread around that (may be I missed).

[dbjunction]

Originally Posted by dbjunction

There was a lot of talk here around how some of the bugs found in 2019 cars, being first year of tthe model run, will probably get sorted out in 2020. Now that many folks have received their 2020s (mine is still not here), what's the early verdict?

Some issues that I have seen mentioned in 2019s (few were fixed with dealer repairs or updates)-

- Cornering lights not working
- Cross traffic alert issues
- Carplay issues
- Car seat wrinkles
- Cars not coming with latest available software version
- Whistling sounds at high speeds
- July software update breaking random things (do all 2020 come with July update?)
- Remote start/ 3D view not working
- Camera view not flipping from forward to rear on gear change


These are the ones I recall mentioned by few folks here for 2019 models.

Thoughts from any 2020 owners?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by dbjunction

Do X7s also have wrinkles? That is supposed to be more "comfortable". I looked at the X7 forum and didnt see any thread around that (may be I missed).

I do not know, the new X6 does so they probably do.

Edit: Just did a search and they also have the comfort wrinkles in the X7.

https://g07.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1590006

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by dbjunction

Do X7s also have wrinkles? That is supposed to be more "comfortable". I looked at the X7 forum and didnt see any thread around that (may be I missed).

The captain chairs were wrinkled on my one month X7 40i, just prepped, loaner

[nosnoop]

Originally Posted by dbjunction

Some issues that I have seen mentioned in 2019s (few were fixed with dealer repairs or updates)-

Most of those things you mentioned are no longer a problem in later builds 2019.

My 2019 doesn't have these issues:
- Cornering lights works
- Cross traffic alert works
- No whistling sounds at high speeds
- No car seat wrinkles
- Remote start/ 3D view works

- Cars not coming with latest available software version

It will always come with whatever available at the factory when the car is built.

- Carplay issues

My car is working fine with CarPlay, and I use it everyday.
There is the occasion fail to connect after a short stop, but a quick WiFi toggle would take care of that. Otherwise it is working quite well.

- Camera view not flipping from forward to rear on gear change

This is by design, my previous BMW does the same. It does this when there is obstacle detected near by. It does change the camera view forward when there is no obstacle around.

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

- No car seat wrinkles

Since some assert wrinkled seats are a feature and by design, it does sound like you have a defect. Sorry to hear. You should have that fixed by the dealer on warranty.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

Since some assert wrinkled seats are a feature and by design, it does sound like you have a defect. Sorry to hear. You should have that fixed by the dealer on warranty.

More than likely he has them and doesn't realize it.

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by nosnoop

This is by design, my previous BMW does the same. It does this when there is obstacle detected near by. It does change the camera view forward when there is no obstacle around.

Besides the rest of the camera handling idiocies, I've documented a generally reproducible situation cycle where:
- you back up so camera is rear facing
- you switch to drive and camera stays rear facing
- you move slowly forward and front sensors activate in red and tones sound, and the camera stays rear facing
- (theoretically so far) you proceed to hit stuff in front of you as you move forward and the camera remains happily rear facing still

Please rationalize the clear logic in that behaviour. Please also provide a credit card the rest of us can use to fix the fronts of our cars after being subjected to that kind of logic.

[LexxM3]

To the OP, most of the issues you list are software issues. As such, it is impossible to categorically state they are fixed or not in 2019, 2020, or 2025 — everyone has different versions and BMW is sufficiently software process incompetent that no one (including realistically BMW) knows when they will get a stable version out that encourages everyone to upgrade by fixing more things than breaking.

On the couple of issues that are not software on your list, the wrinkled seats have been discussed ad nauseam.

The windshield whistling has been reported more than once but not everyone or even many. That could be because it is a careless manufacturing defect or because most don't drive at speeds that would trigger it. We don't know. It has been fixed by dealers, however.

You don't mention a fair number of other non-software issues reported, but there have been many. My personal summary impressions are as follows:
- driveline and mechanics design has been good and remains good from the start, so nothing much to fix for 2020 design-wise; I include driveline software in this
- the factory does have occasional manufacturing quality control issues; sometimes severe; thus I personally expect those to continue indefinitely at about the same rate; BMW does not generally have a history of continuous manufacturing improvements, they tend to focus on the new rather than the "old"
- non-driveline software is basically a minor design and occasionally implementation disaster, but no one know if BMW is ever going to shape up and when

Per above, if you want to get an X5, there is no reason to wait — more will not be clearer a year from now. But go into it with eyes open, make sure you have a solid warranty during entire ownership, and make sure you're on great terms with your local dealer service department. They are fabulous driving + practical cars.

[AustinV]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

Besides the rest of the camera handling idiocies, I've documented a generally reproducible situation cycle where:
- you back up so camera is rear facing
- you switch to drive and camera stays rear facing
- you move slowly forward and front sensors activate in red and tones sound, and the camera stays rear facing
- (theoretically so far) you proceed to hit stuff in front of you as you move forward and the camera remains happily rear facing still

Please rationalize the clear logic in that behaviour. Please also provide a credit card the rest of us can use to fix the fronts of our cars after being subjected to that kind of logic.

I can confirm this happens with my June 2019 X5 40i build and it's quite annoying. The rest I agree with previous poster - most 2019-ish issues are resolved in late 2019 built cars. So I see no difference between early 2020 build and late 2019 build. I'd recommend to anyone save your money and go ahead with 2019 with much better deals if your doubts are only around "2019" having more issues. It's not the case.