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      07-04-2019, 10:06 PM   #1
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BM3 Stage 2 + Catless DP = What gains should I expect?

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What kind of awhp should I expect from a BM3 Stage 2 92 Octane + Catless DP?

Installing soon.
I know it's all relative but I'm just curious what everyone thinks.
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Over all 340hp maybe less.
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Stock turbo and HPFP seem to be good for around 380-400whp. If you're pumping grade 92, you should not run the Stage 2 93 map.

You should expect somewhere near 380 if you have the catless downpipe and intercooler.

Don't tune it without replacing the chargepipe. Don't go to Stage 2 without an upgraded intercooler.
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Stock turbo and HPFP seem to be good for around 380-400whp. If you're pumping grade 92, you should not run the Stage 2 93 map.

You should expect somewhere near 380 if you have the catless downpipe and intercooler.

Don't tune it without replacing the chargepipe. Don't go to Stage 2 without an upgraded intercooler.
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Stock turbo and HPFP seem to be good for around 380-400whp. If you're pumping grade 92, you should not run the Stage 2 93 map.

You should expect somewhere near 380 if you have the catless downpipe and intercooler.

Don't tune it without replacing the chargepipe. Don't go to Stage 2 without an upgraded intercooler.
I have the CTS turbo ChargePipe . I’ll be running stage 2 BM3 91 octane with catless downpipe but no intercooler upgrade yet.
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Stock turbo and HPFP seem to be good for around 380-400whp. If you're pumping grade 92, you should not run the Stage 2 93 map.

You should expect somewhere near 380 if you have the catless downpipe and intercooler.

Don't tune it without replacing the chargepipe. Don't go to Stage 2 without an upgraded intercooler.
I have the CTS turbo ChargePipe . I’ll be running stage 2 BM3 91 octane with catless downpipe but no intercooler upgrade yet.
It'll boogie!
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I have the CTS turbo ChargePipe . I’ll be running stage 2 BM3 91 octane with catless downpipe but no intercooler upgrade yet.
I recommend staying with stage 1 on stock intercooler, temps will go up and ECU will lower ignition timing to protect your engine. You are overworking the car for very little reward
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Over all 340hp maybe less.
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What kind of awhp should I expect from a BM3 Stage 2 92 Octane + Catless DP?

Installing soon.
I know it's all relative but I'm just curious what everyone thinks.
Adds around 100hp over stock, would recommend FBO before going Stage 2 tune and one step colder plugs gapped tighter after you go Stage 2 if you are getting timing issues. Charge pipe is a big must if you go anything above stock as its only time before you hear a kaboom under the hood!
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^im All bolt on with stock turbo running that tune. I personally think it's less than 400hp but I never put her on the dyno so maybe it is.
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Update: someone just clocked an FB0 stage 2 AGG at 339hp on the BM3 Facebook group [IMG][/IMG]
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Update: someone just clocked an FB0 stage 2 AGG at 339hp on the BM3 Facebook group [IMG][/IMG]
That would be 339 to the wheels, I presume!
If so, then that’s 400hp at the crank if you consider about 15% drivetrain loss.
Hard to estimate drivetrain losses but it sounds like 12-15% for RWD and 18-25% for AWD is appropriate
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Update: someone just clocked an FB0 stage 2 AGG at 339hp on the BM3 Facebook group [IMG][/IMG]
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Update: someone just clocked an FB0 stage 2 AGG at 339hp on the BM3 Facebook group [IMG][/IMG]
That would be 339 to the wheels, I presume!
If so, then that's 400hp at the crank if you consider about 15% drivetrain loss.
Hard to estimate drivetrain losses but it sounds like 12-15% for RWD and 18-25% for AWD is appropriate
That's not a good run, something is wrong. You should be getting close to 380 to the wheels
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