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      01-12-2019, 10:04 PM   #1
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Just curious what happens if RC M5 races M5C?

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What an irritating review !! to "Regular" M5 peeps
I was really peeves to say the least after watching this and so determined to do something

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RC will win easily. It is a verified 0.6 second reduction in 100-200kph. If Comp has RC and Non has RC, Comp will win.
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RC will win easily. It is a verified 0.6 second reduction in 100-200kph. If Comp has RC and Non has RC, Comp will win.
Why? Lower suspension can't do that, or it's how the M5C carries itself LOL, jokingly
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Why? Lower suspension can't do that, or it's how the M5C carries itself LOL, jokingly

Comp starts with more boost, RC bumps the boost over the starting point. Its not like a traditional ECU flash that overwrites and starts all over.
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Just curious what happens if RC M5 races M5C?
You have to stop by and let me drive your car! I want to RC my car but can't do it without seeing a major difference in performance!

Just kidding about letting me drive your car lol
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You have to stop by and let me drive your car! I want to RC my car but can't do it without seeing a major difference in performance!

Just kidding about letting me drive your car lol
A lot of discussion on how good the RaceChip performs. Why second thought.

How about I hook you up, but then I'll charge you $20/smile when you feel the gain.
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You have to stop by and let me drive your car! I want to RC my car but can't do it without seeing a major difference in performance!

Just kidding about letting me drive your car lol
A lot of discussion on how good the RaceChip performs. Why second thought.

How about I hook you up, but then I'll charge you $20/smile when you feel the gain.
It's become scary fast period!
Like bracing for dear life when pushing it in RACE mode

Read my lips I don't want more power after Race Chip, And I am a power junkie! All I am asking for is relatability and no dealership visits
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You have to stop by and let me drive your car! I want to RC my car but can't do it without seeing a major difference in performance!

Just kidding about letting me drive your car lol
Then get a Burger Tuning JB4. The install is as the RC (apparently) but the level of control and logging is over the top. You can control boost per gear if you want to or boost per RPM and you can switch the maps to take advantage of better fuel. The JB4 is also controlled from an iPhone or Android app over Bluetooth.

A non-Comp M5 with the JB4 is running 10.31 in the 1/4 mile at 136mph and the times are consistent.

See here.

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You have to stop by and let me drive your car! I want to RC my car but can't do it without seeing a major difference in performance!

Just kidding about letting me drive your car lol
Then get a Burger Tuning JB4. The install is as the RC (apparently) but the level of control and logging is over the top. You can control boost per gear if you want to or boost per RPM and you can switch the maps to take advantage of better fuel. The JB4 is also controlled from an iPhone or Android app over Bluetooth.

A non-Comp M5 with the JB4 is running 10.31 in the 1/4 mile at 136mph and the times are consistent.

See here.
Has anyone pitted them both Race Chip vs Burger against each other ?
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Has anyone pitted them both Race Chip vs Burger against each other ?
Its apples and oranges as so many have explained here... The RC is plug play and go away with limited gains but exactly what some or most here wanted including myself. The JB4 can go much farther with different maps/gas/etc so the only fair assessment would be similar maps and see which car goes faster.

I measured my gains in hp and tq per dollar and the RC delivered with spades. The car is clearly faster as I go back and forth to remind myself (map 7 to zero and back). Its a cheap and relatively safe bang for the buck with my CA 91 octane. Others may need more- Im good.

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Has anyone pitted them both Race Chip vs Burger against each other ?
JB4 before and after HP and torque figures are readily available on the Net (my own included). Then there's the gobs of Dragy (considered a reputable means of measuring acceleration, distance and top-speed) data all over the Net and on its own leaderboard. If there are 1/4 mile times for RC-tuned cars, you have your (indirect) comparison. For a more accurate comparison, you'd need far more controlled tests which I very much doubt exist.

Bang-for-buck-wise, the full-spec JB4 is 899 whilst the RC (top-spec) is 799. The stage 1 JB which brings with it a simpler install is 499, the same as the mid-spec RC.

The net net: they're similar products with similar pricing. The full-spec JB4 works well for those that want the most from their engine and a set-and-forget plug-n-play experience as does the RC. But the JB4 also works for those that want to push the envelope, e.g. fine-tuning the boost, different octane fuels, meth injection, advanced logging, etc.
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Has anyone pitted them both Race Chip vs Burger against each other ?
Its apples and oranges as so many have explained here... The RC is plug play and go away with limited gains but exactly what some or most here wanted including myself. The JB4 can go much farther with different maps/gas/etc so the only fair assessment would be similar maps and see which car goes faster.

I measured my gains in hp and tq per dollar and the RC delivered with spades. The car is clearly faster as I go back and forth to remind myself (map 7 to zero and back). Its a cheap and relatively safe bang for the buck with my CA 91 octane. Others may need more- Im good.

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I get your point
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Has anyone pitted them both Race Chip vs Burger against each other ?
JB4 before and after HP and torque figures are readily available on the Net (my own included). Then there's the gobs of Dragy (considered a reputable means of measuring acceleration, distance and top-speed) data all over the Net and on its own leaderboard. If there are 1/4 mile times for RC-tuned cars, you have your (indirect) comparison. For a more accurate comparison, you'd need far more controlled tests which I very much doubt exist.

Bang-for-buck-wise, the full-spec JB4 is 899 whilst the RC (top-spec) is 799. The stage 1 JB which brings with it a simpler install is 499, the same as the mid-spec RC.

The net net: they're similar products with similar pricing. The full-spec JB4 works well for those that want the most from their engine and a set-and-forget plug-n-play experience as does the RC. But the JB4 also works for those that want to push the envelope, e.g. fine-tuning the boost, different octane fuels, meth injection, advanced logging, etc.
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Its apples and oranges as so many have explained here... The RC is plug play and go away with limited gains but exactly what some or most here wanted including myself. The JB4 can go much farther with different maps/gas/etc so the only fair assessment would be similar maps and see which car goes faster.

I measured my gains in hp and tq per dollar and the RC delivered with spades. The car is clearly faster as I go back and forth to remind myself (map 7 to zero and back). Its a cheap and relatively safe bang for the buck with my CA 91 octane. Others may need more- Im good.

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Vic - we have the JB4 testing data - what are the RC numbers (dyno, 1/4, MPH etc)?

Not that I am modding this car...

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Its apples and oranges as so many have explained here... The RC is plug play and go away with limited gains but exactly what some or most here wanted including myself. The JB4 can go much farther with different maps/gas/etc so the only fair assessment would be similar maps and see which car goes faster.

I measured my gains in hp and tq per dollar and the RC delivered with spades. The car is clearly faster as I go back and forth to remind myself (map 7 to zero and back). Its a cheap and relatively safe bang for the buck with my CA 91 octane. Others may need more- Im good.

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Vic - we have the JB4 testing data - what are the RC numbers (dyno, 1/4, MPH etc)?

Not that I am modding this car...

Thanks!
Heard and nothing in stone
Rumor mill has it

10.7 and 2.7 are doable with RC map 7
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Heard and nothing in stone
Rumor mill has it

10.7 and 2.7 are doable with RC map 7
Seeing I believe I will run a 10.8 with my comp this summer - any idea what the MPH is with the RC Sooma?
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10.7 and 2.7 are doable with RC map 7
10.31 with the JB4; 2.7s to 60 appears fairly consistent for both.
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10.31 with the JB4; 2.7s to 60 appears fairly consistent for both.
I have seen the JB4 10.3 at 136 MPH - I am hoping to compare those numbers with the RC...
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I have seen the JB4 10.3 at 136 MPH - I am hoping to compare those numbers with the RC...
Likewise, I'd love to see some objective data from the RC. Fingers crossed someone has it.

With or without my car, I'm no help--we're under a foot and a half of snow here and it's still coming down so I could perhaps muster a 1/4 mile time of 30+ seconds if you'll handle the eulogy.
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I have seen the JB4 10.3 at 136 MPH - I am hoping to compare those numbers with the RC...
Likewise, I'd love to see some objective data from the RC. Fingers crossed someone has it.

With or without my car, I'm no help--we're under a foot and a half of snow here and it's still coming down so I could perhaps muster a 1/4 mile time of 30+ seconds if you'll handle the eulogy.
Same here brother, snowing like crazy today

I also change the upper down pipes so I end up putting DME stage 2
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Vic - we have the JB4 testing data - what are the RC numbers (dyno, 1/4, MPH etc)?

Not that I am modding this car...

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Have done draggy tests.


Ben at r33_RGSport is one of the retailers here and hooked me up day 1. He can easily elaborate too. But no matter what, the RC is in its best format is not set up for such numbers.



No chance the RC gets to 136 traps, that car was done up on race gas and JB4. The RC is really as I stated and Tom and Miko will chime in, an easy peazy plugger that gains maybe 3-4 mph in trap on a non CE car. And thats what I wanted, plus it was out back in Sept I think and Ben, the retailer lives very close so I went to him for the easy install. What I like are the liveable adds in my drives which are 30 to 120 bursts and city dig stomps
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Have done draggy tests.


Ben at r33_RGSport is one of the retailers here and hooked me up day 1. He can easily elaborate too. But no matter what, the RC is in its best format is not set up for such numbers.



No chance the RC gets to 136 traps, that car was done up on race gas and JB4. The RC is really as I stated and Tom and Miko will chime in, an easy peazy plugger that gains maybe 3-4 mph in trap on a non CE car. And thats what I wanted, plus it was out back in Sept I think and Ben, the retailer lives very close so I went to him for the easy install. What I like are the liveable adds in my drives which are 30 to 120 bursts and city dig stomps
You can only evaluate the delta's in my numbers due to my elevation. I could take a pure stock Comp M5 to Palm in January on a -2000DA day (or ATCO or BeechBend or Cecil, etc) and beat my RC times at my elevation,,,,it's all relative.

BEST pure stock was 11.23 at 124.20mph with a 3.01 0-60mph

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