[Engrmikl]

Hey All
I just picked up a 12 335is with a fresh factory long block, 70K on the clock and 3500 on the engine.
Want to do a mild type tune and was looking at the AFE 5R intake and the Burger JB+ plug and play tuner. Anyone running this? What do you think the total HP gain would be? The book say the 5R is 27HP and the tune is max setting 40HP.
Thank guys

[b92]

From my experience, I suggest going with MHD instead of the JB+/JB4. My 335is ran like shit with just a JB4.

Intake is not going to add 27hp. If you're only looking to go with a mild tune, intake will only add 5-10hp at most. My guess is that Stage 1 MHD+Intake should net around 40hp.

[Engrmikl]

I can look at the MHD stuff. I just liked the JB4 sisnce i can remove it easily. Yeh never thought I woukl get the full HP out of any of these but was curious what others saw. What intake are you running?

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by Engrmikl

I can look at the MHD stuff. I just liked the JB4 sisnce i can remove it easily. Yeh never thought I woukl get the full HP out of any of these but was curious what others saw. What intake are you running?

I kind of had the same thought of you, wanted something mild not to big but since our 335is have overboost stock on full throttle I figured a basic tune wouldn't net to much difference, just that the car would always have the over boost.

And since I was putting down pipes for louder exhaust I'm now going to go MHD Stage 2 probably.

Also was like you JB4 thought was the best but it seems MHD is pretty good, simpler and better.

[b92]

MHD is a lot easier to 'remove', you can do it from the comfort of your driver's seat lol. It's also cheaper, even if you don't already have an Android device. I have nothing bad to say about BMS, the JB4 worked great on my '09 335i N54. It's just that I wasn't able to get it working properly on my 335is even after a few back and forths with their support team. I am still using the JB4 now, but I'm using an MHD back end flash with it which means MHD is doing the majority of the engine control.

I have the BMS dual cone intakes, nothing special but they get the job done. aFe is definitely the best option available today, however I couldn't fathom paying 5x the price for the minimal gains intakes provide. aFe's closed box intake does provide colder air to the turbos, which not only increases power but also helps increase the life of the turbos.

[NoGuru]

JB4 is a boost controller, MHD is a true ECU tune and way better in my opinion.

[cvc 22349a]

GIAC Does anyone use this flash anymore? It's been flawless on my car for 8 years.

[Engrmikl]

Originally Posted by b92

MHD is a lot easier to 'remove', you can do it from the comfort of your driver's seat lol. It's also cheaper, even if you don't already have an Android device. I have nothing bad to say about BMS, the JB4 worked great on my '09 335i N54. It's just that I wasn't able to get it working properly on my 335is even after a few back and forths with their support team. I am still using the JB4 now, but I'm using an MHD back end flash with it which means MHD is doing the majority of the engine control.

I have the BMS dual cone intakes, nothing special but they get the job done. aFe is definitely the best option available today, however I couldn't fathom paying 5x the price for the minimal gains intakes provide. aFe's closed box intake does provide colder air to the turbos, which not only increases power but also helps increase the life of the turbos.

Well the MHD seems to be the opinion as far as the tune. I don't see a closed box for the AFE just the 5R system. I would defintly pay the extra cost to make my turbos last longer. See what lasts longer the turbo or the wastegate on the turbo. RIGHT

[b92]

Originally Posted by Engrmikl

Well the MHD seems to be the opinion as far as the tune. I don't see a closed box for the AFE just the 5R system. I would defintly pay the extra cost to make my turbos last longer. See what lasts longer the turbo or the wastegate on the turbo. RIGHT

I used the wrong nomenclature,. the 5R is the system I'm thinking of though. It closes off the intakes from the hot side of the engine bay and uses the stock intake snorkel to feed colder air.

With only 3500 miles on your new motor, I think aFe would be worth the investment. I had 55k on mine so I wasn't as concerned, there's no telling when they'll go so I'm just preparing to go ST for when my little snails die on me.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by Engrmikl

Well the MHD seems to be the opinion as far as the tune. I don't see a closed box for the AFE just the 5R system. I would defintly pay the extra cost to make my turbos last longer. See what lasts longer the turbo or the wastegate on the turbo. RIGHT

I really don't think your intake is going to affect the life of the turbo.

I had same opinion as him BMS DCI intake were 100$ and all the other nicer intakes were like 350$-400$-500$. At that point you are just paying for visuals IMO.

EDIT: And sligthly more HP due to colder air a bit

[b92]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

I really don't think your intake is going to affect the life of the turbo.

I had same opinion as him BMS DCI intake were 100$ and all the other nicer intakes were like 350$-400$-500$. At that point you are just paying for visuals IMO.

EDIT: And sligthly more HP due to colder air a bit

I believe the design of the aFe intake brings in colder air than the BMS DCI, and colder air produces more power and is better for the turbos. That being said, there is no way there is a substantial improvement, very minimal effects.

They're also blue and the BMS filters are red. Normally red is faster but when it comes to BMWs I think blue is faster. Not proven though.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by b92

I believe the design of the aFe intake brings in colder air than the BMS DCI, and colder air produces more power and is better for the turbos. That being said, there is no way there is a substantial improvement, very minimal effects.

There also blue and the BMW filters are red. Normally red is faster but when it comes to BMWs I think blue is faster. Not proven though.

Yeah for sure, and don't think it would affect life of turbo negatively that much either indeed.

Actually, true if you have your BMW roundels blue stock. If you change them for another color, then the red filters give you the full power.

[LMB335IS]

MHD, especially if you're DCT. It can be as mild or wild as you want it to be. Just be aware whatever tune you decide on will negate the 335is factory "tune", it's not stacked, just like whatever you read about a HP bump from a intake.

Your factory intake with a drop in will work just fine until well north of 400whp, it's just not as sexy. Drop the money on a good 7" intercooler first instead.

[Bimmer_Engineer]

Originally Posted by b92

They're also blue and the BMW filters are red. Normally red is faster but when it comes to BMWs I think blue is faster. Not proven though.

You're wrong...blue and red combine to make purple...purple is fastest...

[Engrmikl]

Originally Posted by LMB335IS

MHD, especially if you're DCT. It can be as mild or wild as you want it to be. Just be aware whatever tune you decide on will negate the 335is factory "tune", it's not stacked, just like whatever you read about a HP bump from a intake.

Your factory intake with a drop in will work just fine until well north of 400whp, it's just not as sexy. Drop the money on a good 7" intercooler first instead.

OK so the MHD is not something that can removed and still have your factory tune in the ECM. You would just set the tuner to a certain map and leave it

PS where in Fl are you located?

[LMB335IS]

Originally Posted by Engrmikl

OK so the MHD is not something that can removed and still have your factory tune in the ECM. You would just set the tuner to a certain map and leave it

PS where in Fl are you located?

MHD saves your stock bin (map, DME ROM) in a file when you hook it up for the first time. As long as you save that, (save it in multiple places!) you will always be able to flash back to the same exact stock flash you had to begin with. Handy for trips to the dealer or diagnosing issues sometimes. You pick the map pkgs based on the fuel you use, 91, 93, E85, etc and modification level and there's a few maps per pkg I believe. I've always used custom maps so I'm not positive on this. Changing maps is a 2 minute flash.

I'm in the Tampa Bay area.

[Engrmikl]

Originally Posted by LMB335IS

MHD saves your stock bin (map, DME ROM) in a file when you hook it up for the first time. As long as you save that, (save it in multiple places!) you will always be able to flash back to the same exact stock flash you had to begin with. Handy for trips to the dealer or diagnosing issues sometimes. You pick the map pkgs based on the fuel you use, 91, 93, E85, etc and modification level and there's a few maps per pkg I believe. I've always used custom maps so I'm not positive on this. Changing maps is a 2 minute flash.

I'm in the Tampa Bay area.

Ok thats good to know. I want to be able to put it back to stock if need be.

I see you tarck your car so was wondering if you were down SE. I am usually running around WPB, Homestead and Sebring in a Black 02 M3

[b92]

Originally Posted by Engrmikl

Ok thats good to know. I want to be able to put it back to stock if need be.

I see you tarck your car so was wondering if you were down SE. I am usually running around WPB, Homestead and Sebring in a Black 02 M3

Yeah, flashing back to stock with MHD yields the same results as uninstalling a JB4, just a lot less work!

[BaaQaf]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

..... I figured a basic tune wouldn't net to much difference, just that the car would always have the over boost.

Depends on who is tuning the car and even OTS maps will make a significant difference from stop

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

I really don't think your intake is going to affect the life of the turbo.

It absolutely does.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by BaaQaf

It absolutely does.

Nah, it does but nothing very significant IMO.

The temp difference between BMS DCI vs the ones with like a heat shield ain't that much imo.

[LMB335IS]

Originally Posted by Engrmikl

Ok thats good to know. I want to be able to put it back to stock if need be.

I see you tarck your car so was wondering if you were down SE. I am usually running around WPB, Homestead and Sebring in a Black 02 M3

I track it at the 1/4 and 1/2 mile events. It's had brake and suspension upgrades done but it's not track ready. I'd need a different wheel/tire setup and move away from the BMW Performance springs and shocks to something a little more serious.

[LMB335IS]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

Nah, it does but nothing very significant IMO.

The temp difference between BMS DCI vs the ones with like a heat shield ain't that much imo.

Lol, you should probably google BQ Tuning before you say any more. @BaaQaf