[HS_M2C]

My 15' M4 AY lease is coming to an end very soon and I have been considering the M2C as a replacement but I am wondering if it's worth.

The dealer is offering a decent deal around 42k for ~26k mi on the m4. A new M2C would be around 65k with options and all.

Ive been content with the M4 but have been wanting a smaller/more nimble feeling car. On paper the standard M4 and M2C weigh about the same and now have a similar power output with the S55. Not sure how different the driving experience would be. I did drive a standard M2 about 6 months ago but didn't really get to feel it out as much as I like. From what I remember there was noticeably less power which I didn't like but I did feel that it was a bit more nimble and tossable. My thought was that the new M2C would be a perfect balance but I guess im just worried about the weight a bit.

I don't see the point in getting a new M4 even with ZCP since itd cost even more for not much of a change and that wouldn't be justified at all IMO.

Not sure if I should make the switch and have to wait without an M for a while plus spend over 20k more. Btw, this will be a daily driver! Basically is going from a 15' M4 to a new M2C worth given similar specs? Will the driving experience be that different in your guys' opinion? Thanks!

[430409M2]

What do you look for in a car? The 4 series offers much more luxury and tech than they allow in a 2 series. If you like a basic car with agility but cheaper plastics and entry level interior quality (which doesn't bother me at all as I love the simplicity of my old e30) then the m2 in any form is an option. But how use to the 4 series quality are you?

[YasF80_SLO]

Id wait for reviews, or to test drive one yourself, it may not be the car your looking for.

Stock for stock it will have similar power, and a short wheel base, just need to wait and see what that translates to behind the wheel.

[HS_M2C]

Originally Posted by 430409M2

What do you look for in a car? The 4 series offers much more luxury and tech than they allow in a 2 series. If you like a basic car with agility but cheaper plastics and entry level interior quality (which doesn't bother me at all as I love the simplicity of my old e30) then the m2 in any form is an option. But how use to the 4 series quality are you?

I don't really care for interior and tech too much. Now that the M2C will have the M4 seats im pretty happy with that. I am pretty used to the HUD and like it on the M4 so I will probably miss that but it's not a dealbreaker by any means.

I do drive a lot on the highway so as a daily the M4 might be better with the longer wheelbase, but I assume the M2C won't be much worse ride wise especially since I didn't have adaptive suspension on the M4.

[430409M2]

For the price of the m2c you could look at a lot out there. I'd be particularly interested in a used 981s or gts.. but I'm partial to Pcars

[mastermav]

Honestly M2C is going to be a big downgrade from M4. While similarly priced (M2C has markup, M4 has discount), M2C is just not good enough, M4 is faster, lighter, has adjustable suspension, better interior.

I wanted to get M2 when it first came out, but got M4 instead. Now after M2C announcement, unfortunate disappointment, I ordered another M4. Maybe the next generation M2 will be better but not just yet.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by mastermav

Honestly M2C is going to be a big downgrade from M4. While similarly priced (M2C has markup, M4 has discount), M2C is just not good enough, M4 is faster, lighter, has adjustable suspension, better interior.

I wanted to get M2 when it first came out, but got M4 instead. Now after M2C announcement, unfortunate disappointment, I ordered another M4. Maybe the next generation M2 will be better but not just yet.

Some people just don't want a longer car so the M4 is not in consideration.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by mastermav

Honestly M2C is going to be a big downgrade from M4. While similarly priced (M2C has markup, M4 has discount), M2C is just not good enough, M4 is faster, lighter, has adjustable suspension, better interior.

I wanted to get M2 when it first came out, but got M4 instead. Now after M2C announcement, unfortunate disappointment, I ordered another M4. Maybe the next generation M2 will be better but not just yet.

I partially agree with you on the interior but for the rest, I look at it a little different

- I would say an M2 will never be faster than an M4 stock vs stock, out of factory (e.g. M2 vs M4, M2 Comp vs M4 Comp, M2 CS vs M4 CS). It's what it is and I guess we all know why. But the key point here is M2C shares the exact same engine with the M4 so you can make it equally fast or even faster than a stock M4.

- BBK on M2C roughly weighs 35lbs more than the stock brakes on M3/M4 so when you add that to the weight of M3/M4, they basically weigh the same and this is considering the fact that M2C doesn't have CF roof, CF trunk, aluminum hood and fenders, CF driveshaft which all can be found on the M4. My point is lightweight CF parts are available from BMW so you can shave off significant weight. But yes, M2C comes with better brakes than the M4

- Never understood why people love adaptive suspension so much It makes minimal difference between different modes and also compared to the passive suspension. A small tip: Get a good coilover system such as Ohlins or KW, you'll be surprised how much more comfortable they ride on the street and how much better they handle on the track compared to the adaptive suspension.

[ZPrime]

The M3/M4 haven't had a CF driveshaft after November 2017 production.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1411862

[SeñorDuc]

I’m in exactly the same boat but I am not in any way unsure... M2C for me. Order locked in and week 31 production.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ZPrime

The M3/M4 haven't had a CF driveshaft after November 2017 production.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1411862

Seems they keep showing up with CF drive shafts though.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by ZPrime

The M3/M4 haven't had a CF driveshaft after November 2017 production.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1411862

All the 2018 M3/M4 still has CF driveshaft despite what was announced by BMW earlier. Steel driveshaft doesn't even exist on BMW ETK and the part number of the driveshaft on 2018 M3/M4s still match the CF driveshaft part number. I'm glad you referenced that thread because you'll see what I'm referring to if you read the last couple pages there.

Edit: Even if the current M3/M4s didn't have CF driveshaft, I would still mention CF driveshaft in my weight figure argument above. Everyone is comparing the official curb weights of M2C and M4 reported by BMW USA but the weight figure of M4 was from 4 years ago when M4 first came out with CF driveshaft, in other words, BMW never updated it since then. No one knows how M2C compares to an M4 with steel driveshaft in terms of weight.

[buckybadger]

M2 > M4 for being more fun...

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by cntzl

All the 2018 M3/M4 still has CF driveshaft despite what was announced by BMW earlier. Steel driveshaft doesn't even exist on BMW ETK and the part number of the driveshaft on 2018 M3/M4s still match the CF driveshaft part number. I'm glad you referenced that thread because you'll see what I'm referring to if you read the last couple pages there.

Edit: Even if the current M3/M4s didn't have CF driveshaft, I would still mention CF driveshaft in my weight figure argument above. Everyone is comparing the official curb weights of M2C and M4 reported by BMW USA but the weight figure of M4 was from 4 years ago when M4 first came out with CF driveshaft, in other words, BMW never updated it since then. No one knows how M2C compares to an M4 with steel driveshaft in terms of weight.

Cutoff for BMW to start fitting the M4 with particulate filter was June 1st, which requires the new steel driveshaft.

There is a new driveshaft part number on etk 26118090631(look under June Reg-Month), replaced part number 26107857629(which is CF driveshaft).

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Cutoff for BMW to start fitting the M4 with particulate filter was June 1st, which requires the new steel driveshaft.

There is a new driveshaft part number on etk 26118090631(look under June Reg-Month), replaced part number 26107857629(which is CF driveshaft).

Still couldn't find it on ETK but anyways... Just found out a driveshaft weighs much less than I expected actually. The CF driveshaft in M3/M4 weighs 7.7kg or ~17lbs and according to BMW it has 40% weight savings over the steel driveshaft. In that case, the steel driveshaft probably weighs around 28lbs. So CF saves about 11lbs at best.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by mastermav

Honestly M2C is going to be a big downgrade from M4. While similarly priced (M2C has markup, M4 has discount), M2C is just not good enough, M4 is faster, lighter, has adjustable suspension, better interior.

I wanted to get M2 when it first came out, but got M4 instead. Now after M2C announcement, unfortunate disappointment, I ordered another M4. Maybe the next generation M2 will be better but not just yet.

Lets wait for some REAL proof that the M4 is "lighter and faster". I just don't buy it.

M4 interior is only better if you spec full leather. Most of the complaints you have were upgraded from the base M2. You are aware of that, correct?

My only complaint about the M2C is the CFRP isnt standard.

I owned an M4 and wouldn't ever own one again but I think the M2 Comp will be much better.

[Nachtsturm]

A light used M4 for 42K, or a new M2C for 20K more?

That's a pretty good value on the M4. I would likely go that route.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Modern BMW without a warranty, no thanks.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Modern BMW without a warranty, no thanks.

You said it man. Even tho irrational every time I floor my S65 I'm worried a bearing is about to cost me 25k.

Early M4 are even scarier w/ the crank hub.

[jdarwin]

Although the M2C is not available, an investment in a 1-day M School is worth it to see the differences in the M2/M3/M4. I owned an M2 for a year and subsequently bought an '18 M3. The M2 is more "tossable" but the raw power and refined feel of the M3/M4 is evident - even more so at M School. It conveys a sense of purpose and provides confidence to the driver.

It really depends on what you intend to use the car for. I find the M3 to be more user-friendly day-to-day and yet just as fun driving back roads. When the instructors were asked "off the record" what their favorite was, 4 of the 5 said M3 - the other said M4 due to the slightly lower seating position.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by jdarwin

Although the M2C is not available, an investment in a 1-day M School is worth it to see the differences in the M2/M3/M4. I owned an M2 for a year and subsequently bought an '18 M3. The M2 is more "tossable" but the raw power and refined feel of the M3/M4 is evident - even more so at M School. It conveys a sense of purpose and provides confidence to the driver.

It really depends on what you intend to use the car for. I find the M3 to be more user-friendly day-to-day and yet just as fun driving back roads. When the instructors were asked "off the record" what their favorite was, 4 of the 5 said M3 - the other said M4 due to the slightly lower seating position.

I'd like to drive them back to back on the street, but my impressions were similar. I liked the M3 slightly better than the M4 for some reason (visibility?), but I thought both felt more serious than the M2.

[uniqueMR]

M4 is superior to M2. It will be downgrade to M2.
Your call!!!