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      06-11-2018, 03:58 PM   #1
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By the way this is my F90 and my cousins F10 we raced about 15 other times and this was the outcome every single time from 20roll , 40roll , 60roll nothing changed.

Enjoy guys!
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Your M5 is rolling out hard !
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Your M5 is rolling out hard !
Can't wait for them to come out with a Dinan tune for this car!
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Wow - against a 640 whp car?
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Wow - against a 640 whp car?
Yes 640whp on dynojet and all. We were all in shock with the results. Everyone thought F10 would start to pull hard around 130+ including myself but it was actually the other way around. These F90's have ALOT of potential!
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I think all these races would be more interesting and objective if used with a Vbox or Dragy (Same accuracy as vbox with better interface and lower price).
It’s nice to see how the car really delivers
Actual speed, altitude, incline, etc.). The dyno just delivers a snapshot of engine power at shop temps.
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I think all these races would be more interesting and objective if used with a Vbox or Dragy (Same accuracy as vbox with better interface and lower price).
It’s nice to see how the car really delivers
Actual speed, altitude, incline, etc.). The dyno just delivers a snapshot of engine power at shop temps.
I personally think racing somebody is the best way to really see how a car delivers. I can careless about Vbox numbers etc.. but that's just me
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I personally think racing somebody is the best way to really see how a car delivers. I can careless about Vbox numbers etc.. but that's just me
In the context of racing the tuned F10 it would be interesting to find out if the tune fell short on the street or the F90 had more speed than expected.
You dyno a car to know the numbers. Why not add real speed.

Plus the drag is a tiny box just sitting on the dash...
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In the context of racing the tuned F10 it would be interesting to find out if the tune fell short on the street or the F90 had more speed than expected.
You dyno a car to know the numbers. Why not add real speed.

Plus the drag is a tiny box just sitting on the dash...
Its always nice to have extra data no doubt.

Maybe that dyno was a very friendly one with peak hp/tq numbers vs the very flat F90 numbers that come from the factory. The F10 modified is no slouch from a roll especially tuned with catless dp's. This is a very nice win for the F90 to say the least.

The street dyno is my favorite.
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In the context of racing the tuned F10 it would be interesting to find out if the tune fell short on the street or the F90 had more speed than expected.
You dyno a car to know the numbers. Why not add real speed.

Plus the drag is a tiny box just sitting on the dash...
Its always nice to have extra data no doubt.

Maybe that dyno was a very friendly one with peak hp/tq numbers vs the very flat F90 numbers that come from the factory. The F10 modified is no slouch from a roll especially tuned with catless dp's. This is a very nice win for the F90 to say the least.

The street dyno is my favorite.
Agree on the street dyno
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Great run!

One thing to consider with these tuned cars is that if it isn't tuned correctly/conditions are not favorable/ over heating the car will pull timing and power. This isn't anything new with the S63TU.

Very impressive run though, car is growing on me F90 is proving to be a beast of a car.
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Great run!

One thing to consider with these tuned cars is that if it isn't tuned correctly/conditions are not favorable/ over heating the car will pull timing and power. This isn't anything new with the S63TU.

Very impressive run though, car is growing on me F90 is proving to be a beast of a car.
I do agree but at the end of the day that's what comes along with tuning these cars. I've learned the hard way unfortunately and that's why from here on out it's either stock or dinan that's it lol
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Yes 640whp on dynojet and all. We were all in shock with the results. Everyone thought F10 would start to pull hard around 130+ including myself but it was actually the other way around. These F90's have ALOT of potential!
Yeah that was a surprise for me as well, from 130+ the F10 should be at least as fast as the F90.
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Great run!

One thing to consider with these tuned cars is that if it isn't tuned correctly/conditions are not favorable/ over heating the car will pull timing and power. This isn't anything new with the S63TU.

Very impressive run though, car is growing on me F90 is proving to be a beast of a car.

Relevant point to say the least.

I remember when I tried out a few tunes with 2016 F10 M5 and would take the car out on several very longer (several miles) higher speed runs and after run 3 the car would pull timing and the car was just not the same.

Im not saying that happened here though as the F10 kind of stayed with the F90. Heat soak would have shown a much uglier loss IMHO based on how my car acted after it was too hot.
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Relevant point to say the least.

I remember when I tried out a few tunes with 2016 F10 M5 and would take the car out on several very longer (several miles) higher speed runs and after run 3 the car would pull timing and the car was just not the same.

Im not saying that happened here though as the F10 kind of stayed with the F90. Heat soak would have shown a much uglier loss IMHO based on how my car acted after it was too hot.
Agreed. I am unbiased either way - and to prove that point - I am pretty shocked by the outcome as I stated above. Timing being pulled would be a reasonable explanation - at least some - as to the poster above - too much timing would have made this outcome worse. If not - I cannot say I am not pleased with the F90's performance lol...
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Agreed. I am unbiased either way - and to prove that point - I am pretty shocked by the outcome as I stated above. Timing being pulled would be a reasonable explanation - at least some - as to the poster above - too much timing would have made this outcome worse. If not - I cannot say I am not pleased with the F90's performance lol...
And the Competition Model will even be quicker..,,,,
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Something's up here. My friend with M6 bm3+downpipes put a bus on the stock f90 on a roll about 5-6 times they raced.
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Something's up here. My friend with M6 bm3+downpipes put a bus on the stock f90 on a roll about 5-6 times they raced.
Don't know what to tell you my man! Lol ... (maybe the tune wasn't working)
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Something's up here. My friend with M6 bm3+downpipes put a bus on the stock f90 on a roll about 5-6 times they raced.
This is more of what I expected, but as I have said in another similar thread, more of theses tests will come out and we will get a better idea of how they compare.
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I have 5 more similar vids but this should suffice
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Flash tune boost is solely based on the tuner. OP could have raced an F10 with 4psi over stock. The M6 could be 7psi over stock. Both results are crazy impressive since bothF90’s are PURE STOCK ! Going to be great when you can add boost to the F90 !
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M6 seems like its a lot more then 640whp.... is that basic OTS map or custom? just my opinion maybe I'm wrong. But more videos will surface for sure to see results. Going to race my buddy with Dme stage 3 tune 670whp and post results soon
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