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M2 vs M2 Competition /// N55 vs S55
Whats up B-Crew! This topic has come up several times but I wanted to shed it in a slightly different light..
What is everyone's thought with the M2 N55 vs M2 S55? -- do you think the remaining M2 models will all be S55'ed until the next gen? -- would that mean the N55 engines models will hold their value more? Me personally...yes S55 has more power..but the N55 throws down that power so much more smoothly. And one can't argue that the sound from the N55 is just MUCH MUCH better than the S55. Also..there will prob be a significant MSRP increase with the M2 CS..is it worth it? My guestimate is 64k. Just seeing what yall think about this :-)
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If it's a direct replacement car for the M2 with similar volume (like the rumoured Competition), ~$60k would fit the current M hierarchy. If it's a full & more limited CS model then it's harder to say but $65-75k would make sense depending on the final specs and equipment. The current M2 is a great car and will probably become an even better bargain once the S55 M2 comes out as long as there's appreciable volume of it produced. |
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I have begun to wonder if they want to move the M2 up the price scale to give some separation from the M240i. If so, it should fall in the middle... that is... between the $45K M240i base price and the $68K base M4. Given that with the S55 it will be pretty much the M4 except smaller (a plus) and lacking the dynamic suspension and CF roof (minuses)... I would put it closer to that end of the gap and think $60K is the right spot... probably a bit higher when you add the MY price hike from those 2018 prices. So your $64K looks OK to me... maybe slightly high. To the engine... I have posted here that the N55 is all you need for (legal) street driving (and sounds glorious). S55 is more robust for track and would be faster for (illegal) street driving. If they abandon the N55 and only offer the S55 M2 Comp in 2019+ (and do not undercut the original M2 with a nominal hike as noted abve) I think the original M2 will keep its value very well. |
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- S55 is a better motor according to numbers and fans, but is not good for all situations. It's peakier and lags more at low RPMs. Sounds like crap. If what you're interested in is resale or tunability, the S55 will be the motor to get. If you prefer more streetability, the N55 with a DP is probably better. IMO S55 makes no sense for the street and isn't even tuned for it. - Yep it'll probably be the motor that stays in the car till next gen. - The N55 M2 will definitely suffer resale wise
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12-10-2017, 10:59 AM | #5 |
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I ordered an M2 a few weeks ago knowing full well the next iteration will likely have the S55.
I wanted the N55 sound, price and street driveability... and I think no matter what happens with future models, my car will still be sought after on the used market for years to come - by buyers just like me looking for an incredible deal/package for the price. I really think the N55 M2 is a special car that will go down as a classic, regardless of what M2 iterations will supersede it. |
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i.e: S55 speculatively bases at $58,500 +/- 2018 N55 base is $53,500 All else being equal, many will still buy the latter if the latter can be bought for < $50k. Many buyers is this price range are sensitive to a $10k +/- delta. For me a 7-8% depreciation over a brief period of time is not bad at all. This assumes one paid MSRP for the 2018. If the '18 was bought for less all the better. Previous model years will suffer slightly more. However, I believe that's where a base will form. At some price point one will not be able to find a used car equal of this caliber; hence where the foundation will form which will sustain some type of decent pricing imo.
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12-10-2017, 07:07 PM | #8 |
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I have driven both and I don't care about the sound difference, I would rather have the S55. If the premium is more than $5k though I really don't know if it's worth it.
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If it's M seats, mirrors, and motor then there is basically no way you could do this yourself for less.
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At 55k I'm an m2 buyer. At 65k+ I'm an m4 buyer. A 60k+ m2 is not on my radar regardless of what engine or add ons it has. I really like my n55 m2, but if an s55 were an option for a few grand more, I'd be in. The more goodies, weight and trinkets you add to an m2, the less m2 it becomes. My last car was an m5 so I appreciate the aspect of fast and nice. I specifically chose the m2 for its character.
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There are exhaust sound threads being created on a seemingly daily basis over on the M3/4 board. Owners are constantly trying to justify and sugarcoat things. Adding MPE to ZCP appears to be the new, best solution in "fixing" the undesirable sound, that is until others chime in by stating "no, it still sounds like shit".
Once the M2 gets the S55, the car will lose an endearing quality and a pissing match will ensue. My popcorn will be at the ready.
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Did everyone here seem to forget about the B58? Why would BMW not just drop that in for the regular car? The S55 is a bunch more money and if that goes in the non CS car, the price will reflect it.
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Sound is subjective and the ZCP sounds pretty good. Neither one sounds as good as the S54, S65, or S85 anyway so you might as well get the better engine. |
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S55 is a definitely better engine, no doubt about it. Just the sound is not as one could expect and have to agree N55 has better sound. M2 owners can say N55 is just enough for the street and will just be sufficient unless you are on track. Well, that it partially right and partially wrong. S55 pulls a lot better and it is more capable for further tuning as well. Of course, it is price that will define if one will take superior S55 over N55 in their car if choice is given. |
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But let's assume it's an overall superior engine in your eyes, it doesn't automatically mean it's right for the balance of the car. I can honestly say if the M2 originally came with a S55, I'd still own it for the chassis but I will be spending most of my ownership swapping exhausts trying to remedy the sound... That was one of the main reasons I couldn't get myself to go for the M4, other than size. |
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