[bryan_G01]

http://www.urotuning.com/Agency-Powe...ap-f22-500.htm

came across this...

[Dylan86]

Saw this somewhere (can't remember)earlier this year. From what I gather, it's a legit bolt-in option for anyone with racing buckets who wants a legitimate, and "approved" harness mounting solution. Even if you wanted to run harnesses with stock seats, this would still be the safest and best way to mount one.

[zipphreak]

You do have the option of using 4 point harness, quick fit pro, without a bar. Unless you are doing some real racing and it requires it. Although not technically approved by Schroth. There are a few guys at the HPDE's that i have seen that have fitted these in m235/M2 etc.. I believe they used the E82/E92 version. I talked to HMS Motorsports and they told me the same thing. It works, it fits, technically not approved.. Legal blah blah .

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by zipphreak

You do have the option of using 4 point harness, quick fit pro, without a bar. Unless you are doing some real racing and it requires it. Although not technically approved by Schroth. There are a few guys at the HPDE's that i have seen that have fitted these in m235/M2 etc.. I believe they used the E82/E92 version. I talked to HMS Motorsports and they told me the same thing. It works, it fits, technically not approved.. Legal blah blah .

These are not accepted at certain clubs, and events. NASA, BMWCCA have rules as to were the harness is bolted too, it has to have a certain angle to be accepted. For street, and looking cool, a quick fit setup is fine, but if you ever do need them during a crash scenario, you would be better off with the oem seat belts over these.

It can be debated over and over, but a harness bar such as this is a much better option, for safety.

[Anthony235]

Bar seems to have the right specs with the wall thickness, etc. Design seems to be sufficient to keep it from caving in during a crash. I wish I could see exactly how it mounts to the floor though.

The only issue is our OEM seats don't allow a good way to run the shoulder straps correctly and safely. The only option would be to run them through the head rest posts. Which might be OK to keep them in place, but would quickly become uncomfortable as it rubs your neck (not to mention the abrasions you would get from them in a bad crash). Still probably safer than the OEM belts though. I might be done with track days. After 15 years of tracking and seeing bad crashes and people pass away I think it's finally caught up to me mentally.

My only option is to get a dedicated track car with all the safety features that go along with it.

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Bar seems to have the right specs with the wall thickness, etc. Design seems to be sufficient to keep it from caving in during a crash. I wish I could see exactly how it mounts to the floor though.

The only issue is our OEM seats don't allow a good way to run the shoulder straps correctly and safely. The only option would be to run them through the head rest posts. Which might be OK to keep them in place, but would quickly become uncomfortable as it rubs your neck (not to mention the abrasions you would get from them in a bad crash). Still probably safer than the OEM belts though. I might be done with track days. After 15 years of tracking and seeing bad crashes and people pass away I think it's finally caught up to me mentally.

My only option is to get a dedicated track car with all the safety features that go along with it.

Yea, that was my plan too, but i like the 2er too much and my times are hairs behind a prepped m2, 1:02.3 vs. 1:02.9. Are you selling yours already?

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

Yea, that was my plan too, but i like the 2er too much and my times are hairs behind a prepped m2, 1:02.3 vs. 1:02.9. Are you selling yours already?

Yeah, m2 and a lightly prepped m235 are right there with each other. Especially if you have LSD on the m235. I think I have about a full second in the car at Big Willow if I had LSD. It's more of an aero track than a technical track where LSD is more beneficial.

My car has been up for sale for a bit, but honestly I'm not really working hard to sell it. It's my most fun car to date other than my s2000.

I might do a truck and make a s2000 dedicated track car. Who knows though

[bryan_G01]

I'm a Range Rover truck/ BMW car type of dude so I feel ur pain.
I keep switching back and forth.

You want a truck when you have the car, but than you miss the performance of the car.

A fast SUV makes no sense to me however. Only option is to have one of each.