[gunnyb]

So

I am beginning to scope around and get a feel for the market, in prep for purchasing a used 435d in December, however on looking around it would appear that 535d's are cheaper than 4's at present ? (in UK)

I would have thought they would be more, as a 5 is "higher spec etc" so whats the score, they have similar running costs tax, mpg etc so are the 5's less desirable ? if so why ?

cheers
Neil

[-435UK-]

Possibly caused by the new 5 series? I assune your looking at the older model?

[gunnyb]

yeah im looking at 2015/2016 cars, they appear to be on average a couple of grand cheaper than similar 435d"s, perhaps its the x drive on the 4 that puts the price up ?

[COKen]

Originally Posted by gunnyb

yeah im looking at 2015/2016 cars, they appear to be on average a couple of grand cheaper than similar 435d"s, perhaps its the x drive on the 4 that puts the price up ?

The xdrive is $2K+ more when new, so that could be one reason for the difference.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by gunnyb

I would have thought they would be more, as a 5 is "higher spec etc" so whats the score, they have similar running costs tax, mpg etc so are the 5's less desirable ? if so why ?

cheers
Neil

Market perception...? Many see the top end Fives as expensive to run, reflects in used car values. Doesn't mean they are, or less reliable. Enthusiasts see it in a different way than the average car buyer.

Makes the 535d a good value used buy, if we are prepared for a few extra pence per mile to run them, than the average buyer wants to spend.

Also remember used car buyers are usually more mpg sensitive than the new car buyer. The 535d isn't viewed as the most frugal of models, even compared to the 530d, real or not. That also reflects in used car prices.

I know when I got my 535i, some of the UK sites projecting values over the next 4-years, were putting the 535d at similar used values to the 530d, much steeper depreciation in the first couple of years.

[jmg]

The 5 is not just a more expensive car, that's not the point. It's bigger and more luxury oriented. The 3 is smaller and can be more sports oriented. There is overlap on the 3 and 5 series even when new. A bare bones 530i is going to be cheaper than a fully loaded 440i or 340i. It's about the options.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by jmg

The 5 is not just a more expensive car, that's not the point. It's bigger and more luxury oriented. The 3 is smaller and can be more sports oriented. There is overlap on the 3 and 5 series even when new. A bare bones 530i is going to be cheaper than a fully loaded 440i or 340i. It's about the options.

True... also remember in the UK the 535d is 'the' 5-series diesel to have, the bi-turbo engine. Comparing 535d to 435d/335d is the same engine.

Some of the pricing is the demand. 3/4-series fits the typical UK buyer, the 5-series is a big car (too big) for many user's environment, so devalued on size alone.

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by COKen

The xdrive is $2K+ more when new, so that could be one reason for the difference.

2 similarly equipped 4s vs 5s should not be so close in price that adding xDrive to the 4 makes it cost more than the 5.

I would tend to agree that the new G30 makes a used F10's value lessened. You can't just buy a low mileage 1-2 year old F10 and say it is as good as new. Less so with the F3X.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by tex2670

I would tend to agree that the new G30 makes a used F10's value lessened. You can't just buy a low mileage 1-2 year old F10 and say it is as good as new. Less so with the F3X.

The G30 will be influencing the used prices, but values were dropping ahead of the G30, here in the UK. Huge discounts have been part of the deal for several years now, adding to the 'big car' devaluation.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by tex2670

2 similarly equipped 4s vs 5s should not be so close in price that adding xDrive to the 4 makes it cost more than the 5.

Why not? The different series are size dependent, not price dependent. Why can't I fully load a 4 series if I don't need the 4 doors and size of a 5 series?

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by gunnyb

So

I am beginning to scope around and get a feel for the market, in prep for purchasing a used 435d in December, however on looking around it would appear that 535d's are cheaper than 4's at present ? (in UK)

I would have thought they would be more, as a 5 is "higher spec etc" so whats the score, they have similar running costs tax, mpg etc so are the 5's less desirable ? if so why ?

cheers
Neil

You're looking at F10s for sure. Prices declined some once the G3x came out.

[COKen]

Originally Posted by tex2670

2 similarly equipped 4s vs 5s should not be so close in price that adding xDrive to the 4 makes it cost more than the 5.

I said one of the reasons.

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by jmg

Why not? The different series are size dependent, not price dependent. Why can't I fully load a 4 series if I don't need the 4 doors and size of a 5 series?

You can. Price out the 2 similarly equipped cars on BMW.com, and let us know the relative prices.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by tex2670

You can. Price out the 2 similarly equipped cars on BMW.com, and let us know the relative prices.

I know. I'm asking why you have a problem with it.

[2000Z3M]

5ers dont hold their value at all compaired to 3ers and 4ers. Look at the M3 vs M4 vs M5 prices. You can get 2015 M5s for the price of 2015 M3s

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by jmg

I know. I'm asking why you have a problem with it.

Problem with what? Get whatever car you want.

All I said was that a 5 should cost more than a similarly equipped 4.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by tex2670

Problem with what? Get whatever car you want.

All I said was that a 5 should cost more than a similarly equipped 4.

That's not what you said.

[2000Z3M]

Originally Posted by tex2670

Problem with what? Get whatever car you want.

All I said was that a 5 should cost more than a similarly equipped 4.

Why should they cost the same? supply and demand drive price not what they cost new.

look at the e36 m3 with the lux package, they cost more when new but are cheaper now. no one wants those seats its all about the vaders and BMW sold more lux than non lux e36 M3s

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by jmg

That's not what you said.

I wrote it; that's what I said. Perhaps you read it differently.

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by 2000Z3M

Why should they cost the same? supply and demand drive price not what they cost new.

look at the e36 m3 with the lux package, they cost more when new but are cheaper now. no one wants those seats its all about the vaders and BMW sold more lux than non lux e36 M3s

Go back and re-read the thread, and my entire post. My comment was a direct reply to someone who suggested that the xDrive on the 4-Series would make it cost more than a 5-Series, which would assume that both cars are similarly priced.

What I said was that market forces, like the new G30, may be driving the price of used 5-Series down; not the fact that the 4 had xDrive.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by tex2670

I wrote it; that's what I said. Perhaps you read it differently.

A 4 series with x drive is NOT similarly equipped to a 5 series without. Go build one and find out.

[Calvin36]

I feel like the 5 series are always cheaper than the 3/4 series because it's more desirable to many different age ranges. You get folks would like the 3/4 series and is more affordable whereas the 5 series is seen as "older" and a bit too big to some people so I feel it's a bit more geared towards older folks along with the 7 series. I did consider buying a 535 vs 335 for the longest time because in the used market the 5 series seems to be cheaper despite the upgrade in tech and luxury.