[BimmerMat135]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...diesel-engine/ This time with a gas engine the first example just arrived to the dealer today. It will be a Canadian only car. So as usual Scott was wrong about the wagon market there is demand for such car. Proof we now have the A4 allroad, the Mercedes C class and the Volvo V60 in that specific segment. But of course BMW bring us more X4 that really what we want...

[Emilim]

I remember reading about MB releasing a C-class wagon in Canada even back when I was shopping for my F31. It was meant to be a diesel only affair back then which was not my cup of tea. I personally think the C-class looks awesome as a coupe but only meh as a sedan and wagon.

I hope for their next generation cars the big three can throw some love back at wagons. The first one to offer a C43/340i (probably as M340i for G20)/S4 wagon gets my money for my next car. (God knows we can only get so much more of these before we're all relegated to buzzing around in electric cars in another decade or so)

The V60 Polestar technically fits the bill but the price is bonkers for what it is.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by Emilim

I remember reading about MB releasing a C-class wagon in Canada even back when I was shopping for my F31. It was meant to be a diesel only affair back then which was not my cup of tea. I personally think the C-class looks awesome as a coupe but only meh as a sedan and wagon.

I hope for their next generation cars the big three can throw some love back at wagons. The first one to offer a C43/340i (probably as M340i for G20)/S4 wagon gets my money for my next car. (God knows we can only get so much more of these before we're all relegated to buzzing around in electric cars in another decade or so)

The V60 Polestar technically fits the bill but the price is bonkers for what it is.

I wonder why BMW can't see a market with wagon when Mercedes, Audi and Volvo see one. I would love a G21 M340i. The Mercedes wagon was first shown during the Montreal auto show in 2016 but the C300d was killed after VW emission scandal.

[AlteBMW]

I add my voice to the wagon list. We have an F31 and a MB E350 wagon. I would buy a G31 in a flash for the additional room. BMW appears uniterested in wagons in the US even though they sell plenty of them in Europe.

[bueller]

Originally Posted by Emilim

The V60 Polestar technically fits the bill but the price is bonkers for what it is.

I test drove the V60 Polestar Wagon, it is a compelling package. The motor is lovely, it looks fantastic, and the suspension, while not electronically adjustable (bring your wrenches!) is quite good. Unfortunately all of the good is ruined by the slushbox transmission that can be described as nothing other than awful. It's a real shame. The infotainment is not the greatest either.

I am really up in the air, my lease is up Dec 18 so if BMW does decide to bless us with a wagon, which looks unlikely at this point, I am really not sure what I am going to do. I have a deposit on a 2019 Porsche Panamera 4 Grand Turismo e-hybrid, but I am kind of not down with Porsches desire to become Ferrari. With that, and the huge depreciation of the Panamera, I am not sure I am 100% sold on going with the Panamera.

Buying out my lease at the end looks like possibly the best option at this point...

Either that or move, I am obviously living in the wrong country as I have no interest in driving the speed limit in an SUV.

The attached photo was taken on my trip back from Stuttgart to Adenau where I was vacationing spending my days on a circular one way toll road.

B.

[YYC Bimmer Driver]

I've had the privilege of owning many BMWs over the years. In terms of touring models, I've had an E39, E61, two F91s and two E31s. In between I've had SUVs, coupes and sedans in both X3, 3er and 5er models. I keep coming back to the tourings and wondering why I went into an SUV or sedan when you have the room of an SUV with the handling of a sports sedan.

When I picked up my first F31 touring in 2013, BMWCA sent me a survey asking if a larger engine would be something I would consider. They even asked about manual transmissions although that will never happen in Canada. Interesting to me in that I think they were analyzing the market for the upcoming G21 in a couple of years.

Following up on bueller's post, 58% of 3er models sold in Germany were touring models in 2014.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/02/24/58...were-tourings/

[ynguldyn]

Whine all you want - BMW wagons in North America are done.

No more.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Whine all you want - BMW wagons in North America are done.

No more.

Well I believe you at 99% I just think there is a 1% chance they follow Mercedes and bring a 330i touring for Canadian market only. Anyway if they are done with the touring my loyalty to the brand is done to. Specially with the quality problem my F31 now have.

[Calvin36]

Yes!! Bring the wagon wars back! I would love to see more big powered wagons. So those who want to be practical can still kick some ass!! M5 wagon

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Well I believe you at 99% I just think there is a 1% chance they follow Mercedes and bring a 330i touring for Canadian market only. Anyway if they are done with the touring my loyalty to the brand is done to. Specially with the quality problem my F31 now have.

BMW doesn't have a North American G21 or G31. Period.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by bueller

I test drove the V60 Polestar Wagon, it is a compelling package. The motor is lovely, it looks fantastic, and the suspension, while not electronically adjustable (bring your wrenches!) is quite good. Unfortunately all of the good is ruined by the slushbox transmission that can be described as nothing other than awful. It's a real shame. The infotainment is not the greatest either.

I am really up in the air, my lease is up Dec 18 so if BMW does decide to bless us with a wagon, which looks unlikely at this point, I am really not sure what I am going to do. I have a deposit on a 2019 Porsche Panamera 4 Grand Turismo e-hybrid, but I am kind of not down with Porsches desire to become Ferrari. With that, and the huge depreciation of the Panamera, I am not sure I am 100% sold on going with the Panamera.

Buying out my lease at the end looks like possibly the best option at this point...

Either that or move, I am obviously living in the wrong country as I have no interest in driving the speed limit in an SUV.

The attached photo was taken on my trip back from Stuttgart to Adenau where I was vacationing spending my days on a circular one way toll road.

B.

We're in the same boat. We're getting another F31 when our lease is up in February (a 330 I guess), and trying to decide on a panny Sport Turismo or AMG wagon for our second car. Right now the AMG wagon is topping the list, but my wife loved the panny at the NYIAS, so...

[AlteBMW]

The fact that they have abandoned wagons does not mean we can't continue to whine about it.

Fact is, I ended up with a E350 wagon for my wife because BMW had abandoned the 5 series wagon in the US. We had an E61 we bought used but they are all becoming long in the tooth. I have a F31 because it was a nice compromise re size and interior carrying space, and when that car is done, I will get a wagon elsewhere as I am not interested in a SUV. If enough people whine maybe it will be heard.

What bugs me is it can't be all that hard to certify a wagon built on the same chassis as an already certified sedan for sale in the US, so this is BMW essentially telling us to get lost.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by AlteBMW

The fact that they have abandoned wagons does not mean we can't continue to whine about it.

Fact is, I ended up with a E350 wago for my wife because BMW had abandoned the 5 series wagon in the US. We had an E61 we bought used but they are all becoming long in the tooth. I have a F31 because it was a nice compromise re size and interior carrying space, and when that car is done, I will get a wagon elsewhere as I am not interested in a SUV. If enough people whine maybe it will be heard.

What bugs me is it can't be all that hard to certify a wagon built on the same chassis as an already certified sedan for sale in the US, so this is BMW essentially telling us to get lost.

Exactly. There's demand, BMW just doesn't give a shit since they're pumping out crossovers.

[Michael Schott]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Exactly. There's demand, BMW just doesn't give a shit since they're pumping out crossovers.

There's demand. There's not enough of it. You nailed it about crossovers. They are also cannibalizing sedan sales.

[canukgtp]

I actually saw the new C class wagon at the dealer here in town, looks really nice, size seems to be exactly the same as the F31...and I find the rear end looks better on the benz wagon than the base sedans, gotta get the AMG to make the rear look decent. If BMW doesn't bring in the next gen 3 wagon, maybe I'll go to mercedes next.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by canukgtp

I actually saw the new C class wagon at the dealer here in town, looks really nice, size seems to be exactly the same as the F31...and I find the rear end looks better on the benz wagon than the base sedans, gotta get the AMG to make the rear look decent. If BMW doesn't bring in the next gen 3 wagon, maybe I'll go to mercedes next.

Way to go if they don't consider us as important consumers anymore Mercedes will.

[bad karma]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Exactly. There's demand, BMW just doesn't give a shit since they're pumping out crossovers.

Pretty sure if there was demand they'd be selling them. BMW ostensibly pays a lot of money to very bright people to figure out what to sell and what not to sell. They aren't pumping out garbage X1 crossovers because they don't give a shit, they do it because Americans *want* that shit. Like it or not, wagons have a stigma here that they don't carry in other countries. It's a damn shame, as a lifelong sport wagon guy, but it's just the nature of the beast.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by bad karma

Pretty sure if there was demand they'd be selling them. BMW ostensibly pays a lot of money to very bright people to figure out what to sell and what not to sell. They aren't pumping out garbage X1 crossovers because they don't give a shit, they do it because Americans *want* that shit. Like it or not, wagons have a stigma here that they don't carry in other countries. It's a damn shame, as a lifelong sport wagon guy, but it's just the nature of the beast.

I guess those bright people should tell Volvo, Merc, Audi, Porsche, and VW to stop selling their wagons here then.

And possibly Buick.
http://jalopnik.com/holy-crap-the-ne...ous-1789685651

And I realize how marketing works. Thanks though.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

I guess those bright people should tell Volvo, Merc, Audi, Porsche, and VW to stop selling their wagons here then.

And possibly Buick.
http://jalopnik.com/holy-crap-the-ne...ous-1789685651

And I realize how marketing works. Thanks though.

There is already the Regal Tourx available on your side of the border. It could have been an alternative for me.

[BimmerMat135]

Let see it Audi 1 Wagon, Buick 1 Wagon, Mercedes 2 Wagon, Volkswagen 1 Wagon and Volvo 2 wagon. But there is no demand? Maybe they don't want to see the demand. Actually Scott was considering the Active tourer for the North American market? Mazda is killing the Mazda 5 and Chevrolet is piling Orlando on their yard... So really the active tourer.... BMW remind of GMC in the late 90's early 2000´s completely disconnected from real world.

[bueller]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Let see it Audi 1 Wagon, Buick 1 Wagon, Mercedes 2 Wagon, Volkswagen 1 Wagon and Volvo 2 wagon. But there is no demand? Maybe they don't want to see the demand. Actually Scott was considering the Active tourer for the North American market? Mazda is killing the Mazda 5 and Chevrolet is piling Orlando on their yard... So really the active tourer.... BMW remind of GMC in the late 90's early 2000´s completely disconnected from real world.

I think it costs >$0 to ship vehicles from Germany to the US. All X series vehicles are made in the US and if sold in the US will generate a larger profit. June 2017 sales for BMW USA, passenger cars -9.6% and light trucks (SUVs) +11.9%. If you add mini in, their total brand sales were -4.1%.

I think they figure that they will just tell their 'brand partners' (dealerships) to move customers to SUVs. I know on the motorcycle side, nobody is interested in the smaller bikes, but BMW pushes them on the dealers while not providing enough allocations for the larger adventure bikes which is what they make most of their $$$ from.

Really, I want a 340i RWD 6 Speed touring, not going to happen unless I move to Europe. That is why unless there are changes in Munich, I can't see buying a new BMW again anytime soon, well that and the plastic chrome, please stop with the gratuitous plastic chrome.

I ran into my car sales guy when I was at the dealership getting some warrantee work done on my bike. He asked me what I was going to when my lease was up and said the X2 should be out by then. I don't remember what I said, but it was not anything to indicate I had any interest.

All automakers have to do is rebrand the wagon, give it its own snappy aconym. 'Oh, no sir / m'am that is not a wagon, its a practicality enhancing vehicle, we call them PEVs' and we will off to the races! When they use the word 'wagon' or it is not branded as something different, people can't get the Buick Roadmaster out of their heads. Touring didn't work, it's not an acronym, people love acronyms!

I guess the worst thing is that I feel like grandpa Simpson, 'we used to go to the dealership and pick out whatever station wagon we wanted, thats the way it was, and we liked it!'.

For now BMW is a company, like many others driven mainly by profits, the X7 monstrosity should tell us everything we need to know about the direction BMW is heading. It's sad, I am off to bring-a-trailer to see if I can bid on an E46 M3 that is going for more than a new X1.

or this;

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-bmw-m5-touring/

B.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by bueller

I think it costs >$0 to ship vehicles from Germany to the US. All X series vehicles are made in the US and if sold in the US will generate a larger profit. June 2017 sales for BMW USA, passenger cars -9.6% and light trucks (SUVs) +11.9%. If you add mini in, their total brand sales were -4.1%.

I think they figure that they will just tell their 'brand partners' (dealerships) to move customers to SUVs. I know on the motorcycle side, nobody is interested in the smaller bikes, but BMW pushes them on the dealers while not providing enough allocations for the larger adventure bikes which is what they make most of their $$$ from.

Really, I want a 340i RWD 6 Speed touring, not going to happen unless I move to Europe. That is why unless there are changes in Munich, I can't see buying a new BMW again anytime soon, well that and the plastic chrome, please stop with the gratuitous plastic chrome.

I ran into my car sales guy when I was at the dealership getting some warrantee work done on my bike. He asked me what I was going to when my lease was up and said the X2 should be out by then. I don't remember what I said, but it was not anything to indicate I had any interest.

All automakers have to do is rebrand the wagon, give it its own snappy aconym. 'Oh, no sir / m'am that is not a wagon, its a practicality enhancing vehicle, we call them PEVs' and we will off to the races! When they use the word 'wagon' or it is not branded as something different, people can't get the Buick Roadmaster out of their heads. Touring didn't work, it's not an acronym, people love acronyms!

I guess the worst thing is that I feel like grandpa Simpson, 'we used to go to the dealership and pick out whatever station wagon we wanted, thats the way it was, and we liked it!'.

For now BMW is a company, like many others driven mainly by profits, the X7 monstrosity should tell us everything we need to know about the direction BMW is heading. It's sad, I am off to bring-a-trailer to see if I can bid on an E46 M3 that is going for more than a new X1.

B.

This is exactly how i feel, they are just trying to push their customers to buy US made X-Cars. But they will have to understand that you can't tell your customers what they want but you should have to provide them the products they want