[duc748r]

I've been reading up on the speculation that there might possibly be a 335 coming out. From the spy photos of the coupe, it looks like it's going to happen.

I tried searching for the information but does anyone know if this engine will be available for the sedan models?

I know the 335 engine is suppose to bridge the gap between the coupe and the M3 with the old M5 400bhp engine. Since the IS350, G35 are all running around 300bhp engines, I think BMW will need this.

I know they are producing the 2007 5 series already. I'm wondering if they would put the 335 engine into this car and release it that way in the upcoming months. If they don't, they are going to have a 3 series that is faster then even the V8 5 series. I know Lexus did this; where their IS has more hp then the GS, even in the V8 trim.

I was set to lease a 330i but debating if I should hold off if the 335 really comes out in the sedan trim.

[Flyingdwarf]

Here is an article from Autocar in the UK, which is from April '05. Normally a pretty sound source for information on upcoming cars, so I would expect it to be a certainty, especially since the new M3 is set to leave a much larger gulf in performance between the M model and the current top of the range 330i. I don't know what the lead time would be before it arrived in the US but dont doubt it would make your market. Interesting to note it isnt actually going to be 3.5 litres though, rather BMW is opting to go back to turbo-charging.

Photo is just an artists impression which as I say is a few months old, but again I expect it isnt too far off the mark. If you decide to hold out and wait for it, good luck to you - it will be a great motor!!

Enjoy the article:

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[stressdoc]

At this point only Tom Purves knows.

[marketman]

There is no current word to BMW dealers on a 335i.

[duc748r]

Why didn't BMW just use the former M3's 3.2L engine. It's good for 320+ at least. BMW just loves to develop engines; but then again they went cheap w/ the 325i engine (a detuned 330i). Just a marketing ploy.

I was just thinking, an inline 3.0L twin turbo reminds me of toyota's 2JZ-GTE. Gotta see that happen.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by duc748r

Why didn't BMW just use the former M3's 3.2L engine. It's good for 320+ at least. BMW just loves to develop engines; but then again they went cheap w/ the 325i engine (a detuned 330i). Just a marketing ploy.

I was just thinking, an inline 3.0L twin turbo reminds me of toyota's 2JZ-GTE. Gotta see that happen.

Because some of those engines are known to explode!

Seriously though. The 3.2liter doesn't have the new block, or other bits and pieces used in the E90. What's interesting is that the rumor is the 335 will have a 3.5 liter engine. The E92 will weigh a little more than the E46M3, yet it will have a larger displacement engine 3.5 vs 3.2, probably lower redline than the 3.2, and makes 310bhp vs 333. lbs/hp is going to be much higher on the E92 and the E46m3. I suspect the E92 will close to the E46M3 performance wise along with the cost.

[Flyingdwarf]

Originally Posted by duc748r

Why didn't BMW just use the former M3's 3.2L engine. It's good for 320+ at least. BMW just loves to develop engines; but then again they went cheap w/ the 325i engine (a detuned 330i). Just a marketing ploy.

I was just thinking, an inline 3.0L twin turbo reminds me of toyota's 2JZ-GTE. Gotta see that happen.

Sorry, I am a little bit confused. When was the 325i a detuned version of the 330i. One is 2.5L (2497cc) and the other is 3.0L (2993cc). These are two different capacities, not just different specked versions of the same engine.

Regarding the use of the 3.0L turbo engine for the 335, I imagine it is because the 3.0L engine is newer than the out going 3.2L M3 engine, and probably has a lot to do with corresponding efficiencies and meating emissions targets (more important in europe than US obviously), which make it a more acceptable choice. Plus, there would no doubt be a certain stigma involved in having 2 M3's on the market. I know the new M3 will be extraordinary, and there will be a gap to fill between M3 and 'standard' 3 series', but to have a model with the last M3's engine in the middle may be a little strange. I think the car will become the 335 will have to be distinctive, and being a combination of the body of the new 3, with the heart of the old M3, just might not fill that criteria.

I think this is ultimately a marketing thing. With the old M3 engine in it, i am sure it would take away sales from the new M3. You can compare it to the current porsche situation with the boxster/cayman/911 (analogy read standard 3 series/335/New M3). Porsche (in europe at least) have intentionally placed the cayman exactly between the boxster and 911. Half the power difference, half the performance difference and half the price difference. Everybody knows that as it stands, it isnt actually that much better than a boxster for the price difference they charge, but it has had its pottential performance unfairly stunted. It should in fact have 911 engines in it, then it would be incredible (better than the 911 itself roud the track), but if porsche did this their 911 sales would plummet. The cayman itself is the single biggest threat to the 911, and a 335 with previous M3 engine would do the same.

[Squawks]

Here in the U.S. both the 325 and 330 utilize the same displacement of 3.0 liters.

[shragon]

here's something that's testing in california that somebody took a photo of:



most likely 335i, but who knows wtf is in it or the specs.

[Flyingdwarf]

Originally Posted by Squawks

Here in the U.S. both the 325 and 330 utilize the same displacement of 3.0 liters.

Well in that case i take it back, and apologise. In Europe they actually are 2.5L and 3.0L respectively. I notice from some of the other posts about the 335 in the US that it is beleived to be a 3.5 Litre version of the engine. This would surprise me, as it isnt then a simple tuned version of a current engine, but will no doubt need to be a new engine (dont know that the current 3.0L could be extended that far). I think the 335 is purely going to be a badge, and the 'extra' will be in the form of blowing the current 3.0L. I could well be wrong though. Either way I look forward to seeing it!

[Laplacian]

Originally Posted by marketman

There is no current word to BMW dealers on a 335i.

I hate to get sucked into all this 335 talk, but I just picked up my 330 this weekend and my CA (who is a fleet manager) said that on his order sheets for Sept they have the 328/335 coupes coming, but the sedans will stay the same for the Fall, 325/330. I asked about turbo and he said definately not for the U.S., but didn't know about Europe or anywhere else. I trust this guy. Like I said, he's a fleet manager and knows his stuff.

Now, enough with this debate already!

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by duc748r

I've been reading up on the speculation that there might possibly be a 335 coming out. From the spy photos of the coupe, it looks like it's going to happen.

I tried searching for the information but does anyone know if this engine will be available for the sedan models?

I know the 335 engine is suppose to bridge the gap between the coupe and the M3 with the old M5 400bhp engine. Since the IS350, G35 are all running around 300bhp engines, I think BMW will need this.

I know they are producing the 2007 5 series already. I'm wondering if they would put the 335 engine into this car and release it that way in the upcoming months. If they don't, they are going to have a 3 series that is faster then even the V8 5 series. I know Lexus did this; where their IS has more hp then the GS, even in the V8 trim.

I was set to lease a 330i but debating if I should hold off if the 335 really comes out in the sedan trim.

The new M3 will NOT have the old m5 motor it will have a varient of the new V10 in the M5 with 8 cylinders.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by Laplacian

I hate to get sucked into all this 335 talk, but I just picked up my 330 this weekend and my CA (who is a fleet manager) said that on his order sheets for Sept they have the 328/335 coupes coming, but the sedans will stay the same for the Fall, 325/330. I trust this guy. Like I said, he's a fleet manager and knows his stuff.

Interesting...this could mean that the sedans won't receive the new engines until the '08 model year.

[Laplacian]

Originally Posted by RichReg

Interesting...this could mean that the sedans won't receive the new engines until the '08 model year.

After talking with him, that's my guess.

[irowharderthanyou]

Has anyone thought of the reliability of a twin turbo 335i engine compared to the NA engines in the current 325/330?

[JackMac]

Originally Posted by Laplacian

I hate to get sucked into all this 335 talk, but I just picked up my 330 this weekend and my CA (who is a fleet manager) said that on his order sheets for Sept they have the 328/335 coupes coming, but the sedans will stay the same for the Fall, 325/330. I asked about turbo and he said definately not for the U.S., but didn't know about Europe or anywhere else. I trust this guy. Like I said, he's a fleet manager and knows his stuff.

Now, enough with this debate already!

To me, this approach has always made the most sense.*

(*) disclaimer, the above comment is pure speculation :-)

[drkeng]

order sheets for Sept they have the 328/335 coupes coming

Hmmmmmmmm. Didn't think the cabrio would be available until early 07.

[bavarian19]

If they threw in the 3.2l I6 fromt he M3, then they would have to call it an M model. No can do from a marketing standpoint. It would probably kill M3 sales for its last model year as an E46.

[BenMW]

So your saying the E92 Coupe 07' isnt going to be 330i or 325i it will be 328i and 335i? And it will have a larger engine than the current one in the E90 330i. This is great news to me but how much more will base price be here in the states. Comparing 330 sedan v. 330/335coupe

[akhbhaat]

-The M3 engine will be using a new high revving V8 engine (displacing, I'd imagine, in the vicinity of 4.0-4.4 liters), not related to the old S62 used in the E39 (~5L).

-The S54 is a purpose built engine with strict assembly tolerances and is not suitable for high volume production. It also has numerous flaws (such as particular maintenance requirements and very poor fuel economy) which would ruin its appeal to a mass market audience. There is absolutely no chance of seeing this engine in a mainstream production car.

-E46 M3 production is officially over as of this summer. There will be no 2007 M3 (just as there was no 2000 M3).

[drkeng]

These are probably repeat photos, but is probably the most up to date pic of the e92 from the rear and side. Gotta admit, I thought the rear shot might be the new Lexus ES for a second. Leftlane news says the intro will be Feb or March (I guess 2006; that's around the corner)* at the Geneva show and that there will be a 300+hp 335


*WHY couldn't they do it in Chicago?????????????

[DTM]

Have any of the people here actually rode/driven an M3???

The engine is simply not a practical for daily use. It is loud, innefficient and expensive.

The engine was also developed years ago, it doesn't utilize todays modern technology.

Just because 2 engines have the same horsepower figures, doesn't mean they are similair. The M5 engine would make no sense in the new M3. Sure, it may have similair numbers to the projected V8 coming out soon, but it doesn't accomplish the same results at the same rpms with the same torque etc.

Each BMW engine is designed for a different car, as each car is for a different purpose.

The 3.2 M3 engines are also known to blow up.