Grinding noise from MT

Krill · 02-11-2006, 01:18 PM

I´ve been getting a sort of metal against metal noise from my manual tranny since I bought the car. The sound can be heard in 2nd gear in speeds around 10 - 20 km/h.
I was thinking that it´s a break in issue but I´ve now got 5000km on the odo and the noise is still there.
Anybody else hear this noise?

hotsand5 · 02-11-2006, 01:28 PM

does the sound happen when you are shifting, ie. from 2nd to 3rd? If it is, then your syncro's might be shot. That's a trans rehaul if it is.

Krill · 02-11-2006, 01:35 PM

No, the sound isn´t during shifting, only when I´m in 2nd gear.

ska///235i · 02-11-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Krill

No, the sound isn´t during shifting, only when I´m in 2nd gear.

Bring it in for service ASAP, might need a new tranny

Artz 330 · 02-11-2006, 02:43 PM

if you cant findem, grindem!

Krill · 02-11-2006, 03:11 PM

I was kind of hoping that several people have this issue and that it´s been reported to BMW, my guess is that my dealer is going to be a pain in the ass about this and try to convince me that everything is fine...

ben1364 · 02-11-2006, 04:55 PM

I have found that dealers are good about fixing problems if approached properly. I suggest you tell the service writer about the symptoms but not offer a diagnosis. They sometimes grouse about the rate paid by the manufacturer/importer for warranty work but it isn't that bad. If you develop a good relationship (give and take) with the service writer/manager, they will likely help you to say the right words to find relief. It has worked for me for a lot of years!

Krill · 02-11-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ben1364

I have found that dealers are good about fixing problems if approached properly. I suggest you tell the service writer about the symptoms but not offer a diagnosis. They sometimes grouse about the rate paid by the manufacturer/importer for warranty work but it isn't that bad. If you develop a good relationship (give and take) with the service writer/manager, they will likely help you to say the right words to find relief. It has worked for me for a lot of years!

Thanks for the good advice, I´ll post here with updates on the situation.

longtran · 02-12-2006, 12:40 AM

i think i am have the same problem as you. is the noise coming from the rear?? like the diferential? i have an appointment with them feb 16. i will let you know what they find. my problem have a metal clinky noise when traveling about 5 miles. even in reverse.

Krill · 02-12-2006, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by longtran

i think i am have the same problem as you. is the noise coming from the rear?? like the diferential? i have an appointment with them feb 16. i will let you know what they find. my problem have a metal clinky noise when traveling about 5 miles. even in reverse.

Yes the noise is coming from the rear (no pun intended

) on mine too. I have an appointment on the 15th.

JamieA · 02-12-2006, 07:30 AM

I have a problem with 1-2 shift quality, baulks sometimes, other times very notchy and coarse... was hoping this was the problem you were having... not to jinx you, but to see if it was just me or not. hmmmm... anyone else have this?

Krill · 02-13-2006, 02:07 AM

It seems that I only get the noise when the engine/tranny have reached operating temperature...

ItalyBMW325 · 02-13-2006, 03:33 AM

When I picked up my car from Munich my tranny started acting up on the drive back. It was "shifting" but not all the way does that make sense? I could shift between gears but the throw was not completeing. I turned off the car and turned it back on and it went away. Any ideas what would have caused this?

txusa03 · 02-13-2006, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by longtran

i think i am have the same problem as you. is the noise coming from the rear?? like the diferential? i have an appointment with them feb 16. i will let you know what they find. my problem have a metal clinky noise when traveling about 5 miles. even in reverse.

take it easy on the beans bro....

j/k I hope you guys get it resolve soon so you can go back to worry free driving again.

SRT · 02-13-2006, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JamieA

I have a problem with 1-2 shift quality, baulks sometimes, other times very notchy and coarse... was hoping this was the problem you were having... not to jinx you, but to see if it was just me or not. hmmmm... anyone else have this?

If your too slow with the shift work from 1st to 2nd, the RPMs drop down too far during the over-run making it awkward to engage 2nd gear - move the lever into 2nd rapidly (don't break it - just a quick flick straight down from first) and raise the clutch quicker but progressively, will tune out a much smoother change

jbl16 · 02-13-2006, 10:05 AM

2nd gear is very moody you have have to shift just right or it will not be smooth at all.

JamieA · 02-15-2006, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RR

If your too slow with the shift work from 1st to 2nd, the RPMs drop down too far during the over-run making it awkward to engage 2nd gear - move the lever into 2nd rapidly (don't break it - just a quick flick straight down from first) and raise the clutch quicker but progressively, will tune out a much smoother change

Thanks for the tips

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Originally Posted by jbl16

2nd gear is very moody you have have to shift just right or it will not be smooth at all.

Bloody hell, tell me about it! Most moody 2nd gear I have ever encountered...

I talked to the mechanics about it today while having my active cruise control realigned. They said they would look at it, and must have adjusted something - including my clutch and it is shifting far better now...

David328M-Sport · 02-15-2006, 05:41 AM

this thread reminds me of a similar issue i had back in 92 with my new e36. notchy & sometimes harsh gear changes in the mt.

service manager immediately pointed to re filling the tranny with a heavier duty oil. job done and problem solved. never had the problem again.

my e46 never had this problem.

Compos Mentis · 02-15-2006, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JamieA

Bloody hell, tell me about it! Most moody 2nd gear I have ever encountered...

...

I agree that takes more 'attention' than other cars. It doesn't like a limp-wristed shift. A good firm, quick shift and clutch seems to be the way to go.

Any chance your improvement from the cruise adjust was just wishful thinking?

CM

JamieA · 02-15-2006, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Compos Mentis

I agree that takes more 'attention' than other cars. It doesn't like a limp-wristed shift. A good firm, quick shift and clutch seems to be the way to go.

Any chance your improvement from the cruise adjust was just wishful thinking?

CM

Trust me, I have a very firm grip

Apart from the cruise, they also did look specifically at the shift quality of the transmission. They said that they did adjust some things, and the shift action is vastly improved. The clutch friction point is also changed - I like my friction point down low, I was much higher before. I find this makes it easier to time changes...

SRT · 02-15-2006, 06:31 AM

Hi jamie
Definitely agree with your comments about the 'bite-point' being low down. I remember test driving an E46 coupe a few years ago which had a manual transmission - hopped in, and went for a drive, I was even surprised myself at how smooth I was able to move off when the bite point was low down

A few weeks later, having settled for the saloon, the bite point was closer the top of the clutch travel, and I stalled twice while trying to move off from the dealer car park, and found myself revving unecessarily in some hasty situations. On the whole, you get used to it. Having it high up means you can be a bit lazy when dropping the clutch for a shift, but definitely cannot be done with a low friction point

davinet78 · 02-15-2006, 06:55 AM

you should have taken it to the dealer immediately but well take it now

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Krill Second Lieutenant 40 Rep 219 Posts Drives: G30 520d Xdrive - M Sport Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gothenburg iTrader: (0)	Grinding noise from MT I´ve been getting a sort of metal against metal noise from my manual tranny since I bought the car. The sound can be heard in 2nd gear in speeds around 10 - 20 km/h. I was thinking that it´s a break in issue but I´ve now got 5000km on the odo and the noise is still there. Anybody else hear this noise?
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Krill Second Lieutenant 40 Rep 219 Posts Drives: G30 520d Xdrive - M Sport Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gothenburg iTrader: (0)	No, the sound isn´t during shifting, only when I´m in 2nd gear.
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Krill Second Lieutenant 40 Rep 219 Posts Drives: G30 520d Xdrive - M Sport Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gothenburg iTrader: (0)	I was kind of hoping that several people have this issue and that it´s been reported to BMW, my guess is that my dealer is going to be a pain in the ass about this and try to convince me that everything is fine...
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longtran Lieutenant General 1431 Rep 16,628 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CA iTrader: (105) Garage List 2006 325i [0.00]	i think i am have the same problem as you. is the noise coming from the rear?? like the diferential? i have an appointment with them feb 16. i will let you know what they find. my problem have a metal clinky noise when traveling about 5 miles. even in reverse.
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Krill Second Lieutenant 40 Rep 219 Posts Drives: G30 520d Xdrive - M Sport Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gothenburg iTrader: (0)	It seems that I only get the noise when the engine/tranny have reached operating temperature...
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ItalyBMW325 Second Lieutenant 7 Rep 256 Posts Drives: BMW 325i Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Italy iTrader: (2) Garage List 2006 325i [0.00]	When I picked up my car from Munich my tranny started acting up on the drive back. It was "shifting" but not all the way does that make sense? I could shift between gears but the throw was not completeing. I turned off the car and turned it back on and it went away. Any ideas what would have caused this?
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jbl16 Private First Class 19 Rep 199 Posts Drives: '13 E92 M3 ZCP DCT Join Date: May 2005 Location: Miami, FL iTrader: (0)	2nd gear is very moody you have have to shift just right or it will not be smooth at all. __________________ '13 E92 M3 ZCP DCT Prev:'06 E90 330i ZSP, '12 Mustang 5.0, '15 VW GTI
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David328M-Sport Brigadier General 101 Rep 3,566 Posts Drives: F30 M-Sport 328i Estoril Blue Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne Australia iTrader: (0)	this thread reminds me of a similar issue i had back in 92 with my new e36. notchy & sometimes harsh gear changes in the mt. service manager immediately pointed to re filling the tranny with a heavier duty oil. job done and problem solved. never had the problem again. my e46 never had this problem. __________________ 328i M-Sport, Estoril Blue, Carbon XP 35 Tint, front heated seats, black Dakota, Sports Suspension, Anthracite Headliner, HUD, Pro Nav, Sunroof, hk 600w, Bi-Xenon, 19" 403M wheels, Reversing Camera, DAB+, Xenon, BT Ext Connect, MST turbo intake pipe, MST Cold Air Intake, JB4 on Map 2 with Catless DP produces awesome performance in Sport.
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SRT Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 297 Posts Drives: BMW 5 Series Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	Hi jamie Definitely agree with your comments about the 'bite-point' being low down. I remember test driving an E46 coupe a few years ago which had a manual transmission - hopped in, and went for a drive, I was even surprised myself at how smooth I was able to move off when the bite point was low down A few weeks later, having settled for the saloon, the bite point was closer the top of the clutch travel, and I stalled twice while trying to move off from the dealer car park, and found myself revving unecessarily in some hasty situations. On the whole, you get used to it. Having it high up means you can be a bit lazy when dropping the clutch for a shift, but definitely cannot be done with a low friction point
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