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      03-15-2008, 05:41 PM   #1
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Helix Attache - First Impressions

just got it installed this morning and its very impressive to say the least. much thanks to chris/e90ice (local v1/v2 install guru) for helping out with the install. anyways on to the my initial observations..

maps:
1. 91oct+dp
2. 91oct+dp+fmic

product:
nice metal housed unit, pretty small and fits nicely in the dme compartment. excellent quality with detailed labels per wire all wrapped in heatshrink with additional heatsink tubes for the splices.

installation:
was pretty much a breeze as chris is more then familiar with dme wiring. he mentioned how nice it was that each wire was labeled per connector, etc which made it very easy in comparison to some other tunes. in other words, its pretty hard to mess up. clear concise instructions as well.

initial performance:
very smooth and linear, like stock however with much much more power. i find the power delivery smoother then the sstt. all the locals here run v1/v2's which i have driven/ridden in many times. i would honestly say the power/torque feels a tad more then v2.02 but more linear in delivery.

the throttle response is also very crisp and pronounced with the combination of hfc dps. the traction control was lighting like crazy in both 2nd and 3rd during short bursts between traffic lights at wot on dry pavement. i didn't bother taking dsc/dtc off after that but will experiment more later while i adapt over the next few days. ended up wot on the freeway and this tune pulls like a race horse and wants to keep pulling. due to traffic i didn't get a chance get it over 6k in rpm

conclusion:
totally stoked.. this tune is a monster and so damn smooth.. can't wait till its fully adapt
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AWESOME!!! Congrats on the new tune!
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      03-15-2008, 05:47 PM   #3
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Very nice! Use Eugen's instructions to force adaptation faster....

Be safe out there bro...
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Take it to the track > No one has posted a Helix timeslip yet have they?
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nice dude, thanks for the writeup!
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conclusion:
totally stoked.. this tune is a monster and so damn smooth.. can't wait till its fully adapt
glad you are enjoying it! planning on getting a dyno done? im curious to see what the numbers look like with 91 octane
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      03-15-2008, 07:10 PM   #8
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congrats man. sounds like a good tune.
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im curious to see if there will be many issues with this tune once more people have it....however from the sound of it...seems like a solid tune.
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Congrats....I think your the first in the PS area! Might be time for a dyno day here in the near future for us local folk.
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We'll have to meet up to compare piggys (AA Processor vs. Attache).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ohsnap View Post

initial performance:
all the locals here run v1/v2's which i have driven/ridden in many times. i would honestly say the power/torque feels a tad more then v2.02 but more linear in delivery.

"didn't bother taking dsc/dtc off after that but will experiment more later while i adapt over the next few days."
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Why a lot of people say their tune is better/feel stronger than the other with no real facts??? I dont get it. I know you are trying to compare as you have driven a V2 before. But how are you going to say that you feel more hp/torque than a V2 with such little adaption???

They both have similar output numbers, so close that you will hardly notice any difference. Maybe it was because you didnt punish the other cars as hard as you did yours? . Besides that, if you want to compare, you also better off saying what were the parameters on the PROceded car you drove, e.g 90-94%. Maybe the one you drove were running on 90% which is better conservative, if you really felt any difference. Just dont say the Attache have a tad more power than the procede.

Sorry if I sound a little rude, I just dislike the mine-is-better-than-yours attitude in here. Other than that, good review . Helix Attache definitely is one of the best tune right now, and really worth the money.
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      03-16-2008, 06:15 AM   #15
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Will wait for back to back corrected Dyno figures against stock runs and also drag/circuit times before drawing any conclusions from Helix installations. Then it might be possible to provide comparisons to other tunes. Waiting.......???










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so glad you like it but... in order to fully enjoy it you need to turn the DTC off. we tried to make the install as easy as possible with little to no chance of screw ups glad to see thats working as planned as well

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just got it installed this morning and its very impressive to say the least. much thanks to chris/e90ice (local v1/v2 install guru) for helping out with the install. anyways on to the my initial observations..

maps:
1. 91oct+dp
2. 91oct+dp+fmic

product:
nice metal housed unit, pretty small and fits nicely in the dme compartment. excellent quality with detailed labels per wire all wrapped in heatshrink with additional heatsink tubes for the splices.

installation:
was pretty much a breeze as chris is more then familiar with dme wiring. he mentioned how nice it was that each wire was labeled per connector, etc which made it very easy in comparison to some other tunes. in other words, its pretty hard to mess up. clear concise instructions as well.

initial performance:
very smooth and linear, like stock however with much much more power. i find the power delivery smoother then the sstt. all the locals here run v1/v2's which i have driven/ridden in many times. i would honestly say the power/torque feels a tad more then v2.02 but more linear in delivery.

the throttle response is also very crisp and pronounced with the combination of hfc dps. the traction control was lighting like crazy in both 2nd and 3rd during short bursts between traffic lights at wot on dry pavement. i didn't bother taking dsc/dtc off after that but will experiment more later while i adapt over the next few days. ended up wot on the freeway and this tune pulls like a race horse and wants to keep pulling. due to traffic i didn't get a chance get it over 6k in rpm

conclusion:
totally stoked.. this tune is a monster and so damn smooth.. can't wait till its fully adapt
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In all fairness, he's just talking about feel. You don't need to strap a car onto a dyno to know how it feels.


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Why a lot of people say their tune is better/feel stronger than the other with no real facts??? I dont get it. I know you are trying to compare as you have driven a V2 before. But how are you going to say that you feel more hp/torque than a V2 with such little adaption???

They both have similar output numbers, so close that you will hardly notice any difference. Maybe it was because you didnt punish the other cars as hard as you did yours? . Besides that, if you want to compare, you also better off saying what were the parameters on the PROceded car you drove, e.g 90-94%. Maybe the one you drove were running on 90% which is better conservative, if you really felt any difference. Just dont say the Attache have a tad more power than the procede.

Sorry if I sound a little rude, I just dislike the mine-is-better-than-yours attitude in here. Other than that, good review . Helix Attache definitely is one of the best tune right now, and really worth the money.
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Hopefully this fits/works in the 135i just as easily...dont see why not...but as of now this is the tune i plan on going with. + their FMIC of course
Then my car will look and sound stock
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We'll have to meet up to compare piggys (AA Processor vs. Attache).
When you compare the tunes they have both up- and downsides: You can upload maps on the AA Processor ( vs. sending back the piggy to Helix ). Helix supports the TPS and the solenoid hoses will remain stock. AFAIK, Helix currently offers more available map's. AA offers the speed limit defeat in addition, which can be used with the Helix or any other piggybacks ( including the JB*'s ) as well.

I am very interested in Helix Attaché vs. AA Active Processor comparisons. At the end the most important criterias will be power, reliability and characteristics of the tunings. I think both are good tunes and they use new and fast hardware, which cannot be wrong - the piggy should ideally process in real-time.
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Was your initial impression when you stepped on it, "oh snap!"

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When you compare the tunes they have both up- and downsides: You can upload maps on the AA Processor ( vs. sending back the piggy to Helix ). Helix supports the TPS and the solenoid hoses will remain stock. AFAIK, Helix currently offers more available map's. AA offers the speed limit defeat in addition, which can be used with the Helix or any other piggybacks ( including the JB*'s ) as well.

I am very interested in Helix Attaché vs. AA Active Processor comparisons. At the end the most important criterias will be power, reliability and characteristics of the tunings. I think both are good tunes and they use new and fast hardware, which cannot be wrong - the piggy should ideally process in real-time.
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glad you are enjoying it! planning on getting a dyno done? im curious to see what the numbers look like with 91 octane
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Congrats....I think your the first in the PS area! Might be time for a dyno day here in the near future for us local folk.
i plan on getting a dyno in the next week or so. would be great to get another local dyno day for sure

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We'll have to meet up to compare piggys (AA Processor vs. Attache).
sure thing, i sent you a pm as well as i am also curious on the aa tune.

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Why a lot of people say their tune is better/feel stronger than the other with no real facts??? I dont get it. I know you are trying to compare as you have driven a V2 before. But how are you going to say that you feel more hp/torque than a V2 with such little adaption???

They both have similar output numbers, so close that you will hardly notice any difference. Maybe it was because you didnt punish the other cars as hard as you did yours? . Besides that, if you want to compare, you also better off saying what were the parameters on the PROceded car you drove, e.g 90-94%. Maybe the one you drove were running on 90% which is better conservative, if you really felt any difference. Just dont say the Attache have a tad more power than the procede.

Sorry if I sound a little rude, I just dislike the mine-is-better-than-yours attitude in here. Other than that, good review . Helix Attache definitely is one of the best tune right now, and really worth the money.
no offense taken, this is a review board and very much opionionated. i try to keep my reviews as real as possible. with that said, everyones experience will vary so take it with a grain of salt.

i am a big fan of the v2 and would have chosen that tune however, after tracking the development of the helix, i was very interested in giving this a shot.

the primary difference is the helix feels much more linear in the power delivery, this can easily be felt without a dyno. also to add the tunes felt very close in power, however all the v2's i have driven or ridden in (5+) did not have dps nor a specific tune to take advantage hence i added a tad difference on the intial day driving. and even more so today. as i mentioned i plan on getting a dyno as well as i am curious of the actual gains.

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so glad you like it but... in order to fully enjoy it you need to turn the DTC off. we tried to make the install as easy as possible with little to no chance of screw ups glad to see thats working as planned as well
yup, spent majority of this weekend tooling around w/ and w/o dtc. the car is getting stronger on every drive. thanks for the great tune

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Was your initial impression when you stepped on it, "oh snap!"

heh thats a good way to sum it up. very happy with this tune
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