Tuned 335: Step vs. Stick

Amer · 03-02-2008, 05:35 PM

I've been watching alot of youtube videos of JB2, V2, etc. tuned 335s but almost every one of the videos were of steptronic. I'm wondering how much faster the 6 speed version would be with these tunes. Has anybody made videos to show the difference?

evolutioninnyc · 03-02-2008, 05:38 PM

a stick will only have a slight advantage off the line because the step has a slight delay at W-O-T. but the plus side to step is that it will never miss a shift. i think its only about 2/10ths of a second difference in the 1/4

turb0 · 03-02-2008, 05:40 PM

there are a couple of videos out there. Auto usually isfaster than stick since most people can't shift faster than the 335 auto. ( stock for stock or with same mods)

Mattscott · 03-02-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by evolutioninnyc

a stick will only have a slight advantage off the line because the step has a slight delay at W-O-T. but the plus side to step is that it will never miss a shift. i think its only about 2/10ths of a second difference in the 1/4

It's a lot closer then that actually. A lot of places that tested both showed step was faster in the 1/4 mile.

sleepdoc · 03-02-2008, 05:49 PM

I think most agree that the step is slightly faster.

fotiki · 03-02-2008, 05:53 PM

+1 to that. I ve raced many many times 335 stick with my auto and the difference is always more than 1,5cl

rideelement247 · 03-02-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattscott

It's a lot closer then that actually. A lot of places that tested both showed step was faster in the 1/4 mile.

You stole my sig!

It looks so much cooler with a picture though

. Funny thing is, the guy who signs out loaner cars at my dealer comes on here now and again and he has a v2 w/ exhaust 335i

. My SA has an AA S/C M3 with NOS. How crazy is that

.

Mattscott · 03-02-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rideelement247

You stole my sig!

It looks so much cooler with a picture though

. Funny thing is, the guy who signs out loaner cars at my dealer comes on here now and again and he has a v2 w/ exhaust 335i

. My SA has an AA S/C M3 with NOS. How crazy is that

.

I told you I was going to.

Thats insane. I bet it hauls.

rideelement247 · 03-02-2008, 06:05 PM

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I told you I was going to.

Thats insane. I bet it hauls.

Never rode in it

. Besides I don't want to have to wear a neckbrace for a week.

Mattscott · 03-02-2008, 06:11 PM

Just wear a helmet and neck brace when you drive in it, then you'll be fine once you get out.

rideelement247 · 03-02-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattscott

Just wear a helmet and neck brace when you drive in it, then you'll be fine once you get out.

down4it · 03-02-2008, 07:01 PM

I think the stick is faster than the auto if you know how to drive good and are consistant...

BaLLzZz · 03-02-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by down4it

I think the stick is faster than the auto if you know how to drive good and are consistant...

if your perfect after 4th gear the stick is faster other then that the step is faster its proven and its because of the gear ratios sorry to burst your bubble

stillclaimndp · 03-02-2008, 07:33 PM

The Steptronic on average has show to yield better 1/4 times. The step shifts only 2/10 of a second slower than the SMG transmission; it has proven time and time again to be quicker due to the gearing, the speedy shifts, and probably due to the throttle staying open causing less turbo lag between shifts...

jturkel · 03-02-2008, 11:55 PM

someone please correct me if i am misinformed, but cant the manual transmission handle more torque than the auto/step?

jerrygarcia · 03-02-2008, 11:58 PM

even if someone can shift the manual as fast as the step, the step will still have an advantage due to the more agressive gear ratio's. Dont know what they are off the top of my head.

Sparky66 · 03-03-2008, 12:23 AM

Staying on Boost between gear changes is probably the steptronics biggest advantage over the manual.

Amer · 03-03-2008, 01:07 AM

Very informative guys!!!

I think steptronic also has the advantage of brake boosting if that is the correct term, to gain better 60 foot times?

Another thing is how come magazine tests show steptronic 0.2 sec slower than stick shift in 0-60 MPH?

If steptronic is 2/10ths slower then SMG then it is probably safe to assume steptronic shifts as fast or even faster than a good stick shifter?

Nikolas · 03-03-2008, 12:15 PM

I consider myself a good stick driver. I have owned nothing but manuals all my life and tracked cars for 3 years. I test drove both the manual and the step 335 and chose the step for a couple reasons. I could tell there was no way I was as fast with the manual, and I personally felt the manual felt a little "slushy" oddly enough. However I was coming from a modified STI that had a great short shift kit on it.

I still think manuals are more fun to drive and fortunately I still have a car with a manual transmission. I do have no regrets at all in choosing the step on the 335.

AndreyATC · 03-03-2008, 12:26 PM

I ran auto a few times
all the time dead even up until end of 3rd gear, after that i pull on them
This is stock vs stock, same number of people in both cars
From the roll, it's even worse for auto, i have the lead as soon as i'm in 3rd

Sorry auto guys, but you're NOT faster

Mattscott · 03-03-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I ran auto a few times
all the time dead even up until end of 3rd gear, after that i pull on them
This is stock vs stock, same number of people in both cars
From the roll, it's even worse for auto, i have the lead as soon as i'm in 3rd

Sorry auto guys, but you're NOT faster

1/4 mile times seem to disagree.

down4it · 03-03-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BaLLzZz

if your perfect after 4th gear the stick is faster other then that the step is faster its proven and its because of the gear ratios sorry to burst your bubble

You arent bursting any bubbles, i can launch harder than any auto and i can hold boost in between shifts with the way i drive... The gear ratio isnt everything...

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evolutioninnyc RATCHET CITY MAYOR 14 Rep 164 Posts Drives: 07 335i Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NYC iTrader: (-2)	a stick will only have a slight advantage off the line because the step has a slight delay at W-O-T. but the plus side to step is that it will never miss a shift. i think its only about 2/10ths of a second difference in the 1/4
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turb0 First Lieutenant 31 Rep 307 Posts Drives: g05 x5 45e Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southeast iTrader: (6)	there are a couple of videos out there. Auto usually isfaster than stick since most people can't shift faster than the 335 auto. ( stock for stock or with same mods)
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sleepdoc Lieutenant 258 Rep 475 Posts Drives: 2022 M3CX DG/Blk Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South Florida iTrader: (1)	I think most agree that the step is slightly faster. __________________ Sold 2018 F80 M3 Sold 2010 Nissan GTR Sold: 2008 335i
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fotiki Private 4 Rep 57 Posts Drives: 335i E92 Step-JB3-K&N-Scoops Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Greece iTrader: (0)	+1 to that. I ve raced many many times 335 stick with my auto and the difference is always more than 1,5cl
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stillclaimndp Dancing Machine 47 Rep 1,419 Posts Drives: 335i e90 ZSP Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walnut Creek, Ca iTrader: (0)	The Steptronic on average has show to yield better 1/4 times. The step shifts only 2/10 of a second slower than the SMG transmission; it has proven time and time again to be quicker due to the gearing, the speedy shifts, and probably due to the throttle staying open causing less turbo lag between shifts... __________________ 2007 e90 & 1981 Corvette Predecessors: 2007 BMW 335i E92, 2006 M5, 2008 Viper SRT10 Coupe, 2005 Viper Yellow, 2006 Corvette Z51, 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2006 S4, 2001.5 Nogaro Blue S4, 2006 GTI w/ DSG, 06 Evo IX, 04 S4, 04 911x51, 03 Evo VIII, 98 Eclipse GSX, 96 GST, 92 Galant Vr-4, '70 Grand Prix Model J, '70 Nova, '68 Firebird
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jturkel Private 0 Rep 52 Posts Drives: 02 C32 AMG Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paradise Valley & Tucson iTrader: (0)	someone please correct me if i am misinformed, but cant the manual transmission handle more torque than the auto/step?
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jerrygarcia Lieutenant 20 Rep 489 Posts Drives: 335 sedan eventually Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	even if someone can shift the manual as fast as the step, the step will still have an advantage due to the more agressive gear ratio's. Dont know what they are off the top of my head. __________________
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Sparky66 Major 58 Rep 1,230 Posts Drives: 335 E92 Coupe. Jet Black. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (0)	Staying on Boost between gear changes is probably the steptronics biggest advantage over the manual. __________________ Sticky is an Idiot
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Amer Captain 78 Rep 684 Posts Drives: Benz Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palmdale iTrader: (0)	Very informative guys!!! I think steptronic also has the advantage of brake boosting if that is the correct term, to gain better 60 foot times? Another thing is how come magazine tests show steptronic 0.2 sec slower than stick shift in 0-60 MPH? If steptronic is 2/10ths slower then SMG then it is probably safe to assume steptronic shifts as fast or even faster than a good stick shifter?
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