[TuningTech FS]

2011 BMW 550i Stock Before, TTFS Race Pack Piggyback After

[gclions]

Nice to see another tuner in the ring, but I don't see any benefit over some of the current options.

That said, if it has room to grow or some other options the current piggybacks don't, well then that's another story.

Any more details?

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by TuningTech FS

2011 BMW 550i Stock Before, TTFS Race Pack Piggyback After

Would you be interested in independent testing ? i enjoy testing tunes to their limits.
also what parameters are we able to control with this piggy back?

[TuningTech FS]

Originally Posted by gclions

Nice to see another tuner in the ring, but I don't see any benefit over some of the current options.

That said, if it has room to grow or some other options the current piggybacks don't, well then that's another story.

Any more details?

We have been around for a while. This piggyback option is for those who do not wish to do a full ECU flash which we also do. Below are some details straight from our website:

The TTFS Race Pack System is an ideal package for anyone looking to upgfrade to the next level. With an amazingly fast 64-bit processor, our Race Pack system communicates with your BMW's DME faster than any other piggyback on the market today. It has an option to configure up to 9 different map settings which are custom configured before shipped out. Generally two maps are set up, one for 91 octane and one for 93 octane. The TTFS Race Pack does not manipulate fuel pressure or knock control hence leaving all the factory safety feature in place for engine protection. It will not throw a check engine light and it may be installed in under and hour. The open loop system allow the Race Pack to be removed in seconds with-out any splicing or cutting. Our extensive testing shows that the Race Pack system outperform the competition of similar set up both on the track and on the dyno!

Performance Specs:
HP Gains: 45+ WHP over stock configuration
Torque: 81+ ft-lbs of torque

Key Features:
-BMW factory-style harness with dedicated hardware for discrete mounting
-When removed, it leaves no trace of installation (no cutting)
-Included bracket for discrete install
-Waterproof housing
-No cutting or wire splicing
-Easy installation

Originally Posted by badblack550xi

Would you be interested in independent testing ? i enjoy testing tunes to their limits.
also what parameters are we able to control with this piggy back?

I can check but I do not think we need any independent testing. We have had this out for some time with a lot of testing and units sold.

[Teddylongtooth]

The baseline of 339hp seems a little low to me, I've seen other stock cars put down more than that. There must be something wrong with the test car or your pulling some trickery to make your tune look good. It's been proven these cars make over 425 crank horsepower and were supposed to believe your car lost almost 90hp thru the drivetrain??? I don't think so, please explain this......

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by TuningTech FS

We have been around for a while. This piggyback option is for those who do not wish to do a full ECU flash which we also do. Below are some details straight from our website:

The TTFS Race Pack System is an ideal package for anyone looking to upgfrade to the next level. With an amazingly fast 64-bit processor, our Race Pack system communicates with your BMW's DME faster than any other piggyback on the market today. It has an option to configure up to 9 different map settings which are custom configured before shipped out. Generally two maps are set up, one for 91 octane and one for 93 octane. The TTFS Race Pack does not manipulate fuel pressure or knock control hence leaving all the factory safety feature in place for engine protection. It will not throw a check engine light and it may be installed in under and hour. The open loop system allow the Race Pack to be removed in seconds with-out any splicing or cutting. Our extensive testing shows that the Race Pack system outperform the competition of similar set up both on the track and on the dyno!

Performance Specs:
HP Gains: 45+ WHP over stock configuration
Torque: 81+ ft-lbs of torque

Key Features:
-BMW factory-style harness with dedicated hardware for discrete mounting
-When removed, it leaves no trace of installation (no cutting)
-Included bracket for discrete install
-Waterproof housing
-No cutting or wire splicing
-Easy installation



I can check but I do not think we need any independent testing. We have had this out for some time with a lot of testing and units sold.

in that case any 1/4 miles times from any of the tested cars?

[TuningTech FS]

Originally Posted by Teddylongtooth

The baseline of 339hp seems a little low to me, I've seen other stock cars put down more than that. There must be something wrong with the test car or your pulling some trickery to make your tune look good. It's been proven these cars make over 425 crank horsepower and were supposed to believe your car lost almost 90hp thru the drivetrain??? I don't think so, please explain this......

No trickery, we have a DynoCom AWD data linked load bearing dyno which reads similar to a Mustang dyno.

[TuningTech FS]

Originally Posted by badblack550xi

in that case any 1/4 miles times from any of the tested cars?

No 1/4 mile times on a 550i yet. We have a shop F10 M5 that we will be testing at the track and participating in some roll race events this year

[mike@x-ph.com]

What sensors does this tune connect to?

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by TuningTech FS

No 1/4 mile times on a 550i yet. We have a shop F10 M5 that we will be testing at the track and participating in some roll race events this year

so as i said i can be the 550 car, we are not M cars.

[gclions]

What signals does your piggyback tap into? I assume TMAP sensors, but you state no fuel signal and "no cutting or wire splicing". Is there a pin-in, pin-out swap of wires required?

Also, what is up with the graph at the beginning (both stock and piggyback) and the end (stock)? Were those due to shifts of the transmission? What gear did you perform those runs in? It looks like a 3rd gear start, shift to 4th and perform the run, with an accidental shift to 5th on the stock run.

[Teddylongtooth]

Originally Posted by TuningTech FS

No trickery, we have a DynoCom AWD data linked load bearing dyno which reads similar to a Mustang dyno.

Fair enough, what's the price going to be?

[Simple5]

Any pictures of the actual piggyback? Independent testing would be nice. Right now you are pumping out less power, about 20+ whp/25+wtq than a BMS Stage 1.

I agree that the baseline numbers are horrific.. if you factor in what other cars are dynoing at your basically at a BMS Stage 1.

Now the million dollar question is: Are you able to log and change settings like the BMS?

[TuningTech FS]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

What sensors does this tune connect to?

It connects to the cam sensor and map sensors both.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by TuningTech FS

It connects to the cam sensor and map sensors both.

Thank you

It sounds similar to the A8 am i right?

[TuningTech FS]

Originally Posted by gclions

What signals does your piggyback tap into? I assume TMAP sensors, but you state no fuel signal and "no cutting or wire splicing". Is there a pin-in, pin-out swap of wires required?

Also, what is up with the graph at the beginning (both stock and piggyback) and the end (stock)? Were those due to shifts of the transmission? What gear did you perform those runs in? It looks like a 3rd gear start, shift to 4th and perform the run, with an accidental shift to 5th on the stock run.

Cam, Map, and Maf. No it has connectors.
Both were 4th gear runs with shift up top.

Originally Posted by Teddylongtooth

Fair enough, what's the price going to be?

PM us if interested, we will give you a good deal.

Originally Posted by Simple3

Any pictures of the actual piggyback? Independent testing would be nice. Right now you are pumping out less power, about 20+ whp/25+wtq than a BMS Stage 1.

I agree that the baseline numbers are horrific.. if you factor in what other cars are dynoing at your basically at a BMS Stage 1.

Now the million dollar question is: Are you able to log and change settings like the BMS?

Will post pictures soon. Yes you can log and change settings but need a additional cable.

[TuningTech FS]

[gclions]

Look, there are more powerful options on the market, but I really do appreciate you providing dyno graphs. There are other companies (look at my profile picture for a guess who) that provide no concrete proof that anything they make actually improves performance.

That said, I've done some math based on stock dyno graphs from a DynoJet, I have whp -53.2 and wtrq -54.6 when compared to a DynoJet dyno run. Sure there are variables, but that's what I can see. So the DynoCom is reading roughly 53 low for each.

Add those numbers to what you got after the piggyback install and I come up with 452.7 whp (399.5 + 53.2) and 489.9 wtrq (435.3 + 54.6). That's not bad at all. If you have some room to grow, with a possible stage 2 later to include some other options you might be onto something.

Before you get flamed too much for numbers that are lower than the piggyback of choice for most of us, I wanted to say thanks for offering another option for a platform that has no future ECU tuning ability. While most tuners have done all they plan to do for the 2011-13 N63s, you are continuing to tinker, which is all good in my book.

[TuningTech FS]

Originally Posted by gclions

Look, there are more powerful options on the market, but I really do appreciate you providing dyno graphs. There are other companies (look at my profile picture for a guess who) that provide no concrete proof that anything they make actually improves performance.

That said, I've done some math based on stock dyno graphs from a DynoJet, I have whp -53.2 and wtrq -54.6 when compared to a DynoJet dyno run. Sure there are variables, but that's what I can see. So the DynoCom is reading roughly 53 low for each.

Add those numbers to what you got after the piggyback install and I come up with 452.7 whp (399.5 + 53.2) and 489.9 wtrq (435.3 + 54.6). That's not bad at all. If you have some room to grow, with a possible stage 2 later to include some other options you might be onto something.

Before you get flamed too much for numbers that are lower than the piggyback of choice for most of us, I wanted to say thanks for offering another option for a platform that has no future ECU tuning ability. While most tuners have done all they plan to do for the 2011-13 N63s, you are continuing to tinker, which is all good in my book.

We actually are working on something which we hope to release soon which will really impress you guaranteed

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[Simple5]

Thinking about it this is pretty impressive. You should give your tune to badblack550xi so he can test and review it. He's very well respected here on the 5 boards!

[badblack550xi]

Originally Posted by Simple3

Thinking about it this is pretty impressive. You should give your tune to badblack550xi so he can test and review it. He's very well respected here on the 5 boards!

What he said.

[TuningTech FS]

Originally Posted by badblack550xi

What he said.

We are not testing this box any further. We are releasing a newer version soon with many more features