PHD FB 4.1 midrange test

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 06:23 AM

Me likey these just as much as Esotar 430's for less money

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 03:03 PM

You should put them up on your dash.

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 03:04 PM

No, thanks

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 03:12 PM

Ok lol .. The difference in sound quality is huge.

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 06:14 PM

My staging is already spot on. What exactly is the difference in sound quality you are referring to?

RobertRichy · 12-23-2015, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mathematics

Me likey these just as much as Esotar 430's for less money

What does your system layout look like?

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 06:34 PM

If all your speakers are in the stock location, you are getting some sort of rainbow effect on your staging for midrange sounds panned hard to the left or right.

Not sure what kind of music you listen to but I noticed that happen to mine. My center image was above eye level and every now and then I'd notice sounds getting dragged down.

Also, there's a quiet a difference in listening to a speaker that's almost 90 degrees off axis firing perpendicular to you vs a speaker at ear level and basically on axis (depending how you position it).

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 06:37 PM

There's also differences in drivers when talking about on/off axis response. Did a free air test of that with some PHD drivers vs Micro Precision drivers and the effects were clear. PHD drivers sound phenomenal off axis. With that and time alignment, there's no need for me to modify my dash pad for midranges.

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertRichy

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Originally Posted by mathematics

Me likey these just as much as Esotar 430's for less money

What does your system layout look like?

Airport express optical in to a Helix P6. All active. PHD AF 1.c tweeters in the sails. PHD FB 4.1 in stock locations. 3 Jehnert midbass' per door and one under each seat.

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mathematics

There's also differences in drivers when talking about on/off axis response. Did a free air test of that with some PHD drivers vs Micro Precision drivers and the effects were clear. PHD drivers sound phenomenal off axis. With that and time alignment, there's no need for me to modify my dash pad for midranges.

So you're saying there would be no difference in overall all?

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AW335TT

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Originally Posted by mathematics

There's also differences in drivers when talking about on/off axis response. Did a free air test of that with some PHD drivers vs Micro Precision drivers and the effects were clear. PHD drivers sound phenomenal off axis. With that and time alignment, there's no need for me to modify my dash pad for midranges.

So you're saying there would be no difference in overall all?

I get it, bro. You don't think you can have a proper stage with off axis midrange. I have it. Simple.

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 06:53 PM

I've run a set up like that for over a year so I know the difference .. But I'm sure there is absolutely no more improvements to be done on your system. Nice!

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 06:55 PM

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Lol I'm sure there is absolutely no more improvements to be done on your system. Nice!

I'm not going to take my dash out and do all the fab work to maybe possibly get a marginal improvement. Sorry to rain on your parade. There should be no reason you couldn't get the image you wanted with the correct driver and time alignment.

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 06:59 PM

Huh? Who said anything about taking your dash out and modifying it?

Lol you're not raining on my parade, it's your system, not mine.. Enjoy it!

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 07:02 PM

Thought you meant in the dash. My mistake.

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 07:07 PM

Oh lol na .. I meant build custom pods that'll fit onto the corners of your dash.

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 07:08 PM

I wouldn't want that in my line of sight

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 07:22 PM

Ya it takes some getting used to.

How does that PHD tweeter compare to the Micro Precision tweeter you had?

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 07:23 PM

I give the edge to the PHD. Staging appears a bit wider with all else being equal. A tad bit more detail in the same tracks as well.

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 07:37 PM

Oh wow.. You had the MP 7 series right? MP seems over priced.

mathematics · 12-23-2015, 07:38 PM

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Oh wow.. You had the MP 7 series right? MP seems over priced.

5 series is what I had.

AW335TT · 12-23-2015, 08:26 PM

Oh ok .. Still impressive considering the price of PHD

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AW335TT Major 616 Rep 1,420 Posts Drives: a car Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA iTrader: (0)	If all your speakers are in the stock location, you are getting some sort of rainbow effect on your staging for midrange sounds panned hard to the left or right. Not sure what kind of music you listen to but I noticed that happen to mine. My center image was above eye level and every now and then I'd notice sounds getting dragged down. Also, there's a quiet a difference in listening to a speaker that's almost 90 degrees off axis firing perpendicular to you vs a speaker at ear level and basically on axis (depending how you position it). __________________
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12-23-2015, 06:37 PM	#8
mathematics Captain 69 Rep 994 Posts Drives: 08 328i e93 alpine white Join Date: May 2009 Location: Queens, NY iTrader: (0)	There's also differences in drivers when talking about on/off axis response. Did a free air test of that with some PHD drivers vs Micro Precision drivers and the effects were clear. PHD drivers sound phenomenal off axis. With that and time alignment, there's no need for me to modify my dash pad for midranges. __________________ iPhone 6 Plus (iTunes library/iTunes radio/Waze, etc) to Airport Express via AirPlay. Toslink out of Airport Express to Helix P-Six DSP. PHD AF 1.C tweeters, PHD FB 4.1 midranges. Jehnert Door Cards and mid-bass'.
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AW335TT Major 616 Rep 1,420 Posts Drives: a car Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA iTrader: (0)	I've run a set up like that for over a year so I know the difference .. But I'm sure there is absolutely no more improvements to be done on your system. Nice! __________________
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mathematics Captain 69 Rep 994 Posts Drives: 08 328i e93 alpine white Join Date: May 2009 Location: Queens, NY iTrader: (0)	Thought you meant in the dash. My mistake. __________________ iPhone 6 Plus (iTunes library/iTunes radio/Waze, etc) to Airport Express via AirPlay. Toslink out of Airport Express to Helix P-Six DSP. PHD AF 1.C tweeters, PHD FB 4.1 midranges. Jehnert Door Cards and mid-bass'.
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mathematics Captain 69 Rep 994 Posts Drives: 08 328i e93 alpine white Join Date: May 2009 Location: Queens, NY iTrader: (0)	I wouldn't want that in my line of sight __________________ iPhone 6 Plus (iTunes library/iTunes radio/Waze, etc) to Airport Express via AirPlay. Toslink out of Airport Express to Helix P-Six DSP. PHD AF 1.C tweeters, PHD FB 4.1 midranges. Jehnert Door Cards and mid-bass'.
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mathematics Captain 69 Rep 994 Posts Drives: 08 328i e93 alpine white Join Date: May 2009 Location: Queens, NY iTrader: (0)	I give the edge to the PHD. Staging appears a bit wider with all else being equal. A tad bit more detail in the same tracks as well. __________________ iPhone 6 Plus (iTunes library/iTunes radio/Waze, etc) to Airport Express via AirPlay. Toslink out of Airport Express to Helix P-Six DSP. PHD AF 1.C tweeters, PHD FB 4.1 midranges. Jehnert Door Cards and mid-bass'.
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