JL XD600/6 Vs XD700/5

Trelos · 11-13-2015, 01:11 PM

Trying to figure out the best option here.

Current setup is:
Hi-fi running a JL xd600/6 (ver1)

Fronts are Morel Dotech Ovations
Rear are BAVsound upgrade speakers.
Under-seat Earthquake sws8 (4 ohm)

the JL got wet and the rear channel is dead

I also have a set of Jehnert xe 200's

I will most likely replace the sws8's with the Jehnert's but I need to know if there is a benefit to going with the XD700/5 to drive them (mono) or should I just get another XD600/6

cdgatti · 11-13-2015, 02:35 PM

id get the helix pp82 dsp. power all the small speakers with it and bridge your remaining working channels on the 600/6 to power the underseats. youll improve staging and power will be huge (no Trump intended)!

ctuna · 11-13-2015, 02:59 PM

I think stereo under seats is better.
What the last guy said .
It's probably worth getting the Jl fixed.

kaigoss69 · 11-13-2015, 03:33 PM

Who needs rears? You're good with 4 channels.

Trelos · 11-14-2015, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kaigoss69

Who needs rears? You're good with 4 channels.

Yea...I kind of noticed that. It actually took me a while to notice the rear channels were out.

How much power can the Jenhert's take?

kaigoss69 · 11-17-2015, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Trelos

How much power can the Jenhert's take?

Good question!

skrelnik · 11-17-2015, 08:41 AM

Website lists them at 130 watt nominal and 200 watt peak. Plays as low as 42Hz and up to 4,000Hz.

I like the idea of stacking the XD600 on the PP82DSP, but, are you overpaying for the PP82 since in this setup you will use it as a DSP-only because the XD600 packs more juice and will be used as an amp in this setup?

Trelos · 11-17-2015, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by skrelnik

Website lists them at 130 watt nominal and 200 watt peak. Plays as low as 42Hz and up to 4,000Hz.

I like the idea of stacking the XD600 on the PP82DSP, but, are you overpaying for the PP82 since in this setup you will use it as a DSP-only because the XD600 packs more juice and will be used as an amp in this setup?

Yes, and truthfully I hadn't even considered the PP82.

But now i'm intrigued....maybe I should just go with that as an all in one. But I really think the Subs and the Morel's will handle more than the PP82 puts out.
And I have never been one to "love" DSP sound anyway.

ctuna · 11-17-2015, 11:34 AM

Well you could go active on the doors with the 82dsp.
Yes adding and extra level of processing might add artifacts or color
the sound in the earlier processors but I wonder how the
helix's do ?

skrelnik · 11-17-2015, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ctuna

Well you could go active on the doors with the 82dsp.
Yes adding and extra level of processing might add artifacts or color
the sound in the earlier processors but I wonder how the
helix's do ?

My set-up is fully-active, installed by Don at Unexpected Creations (aka 6spdcoupe), and it is amazing how much control you have. I have the PP82, Jehnert flatline and a pair of subs in the rear-deck.

While the PP82, IMO, is a sound quality device due to the low wattage output, it still cranks and sounds great. I can turn the volume up all the way on the head unit, and also program the PP82DSP to increase all gains to the Jehnerts, and I know the Jehnerts can take a lot more power.

What I don't know if how JL Audio's amp compares with the PP82. Is 55 watts from the PP82 = to 55 watts from the JL Audio amp or what?

str8shot · 11-18-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by skrelnik

My set-up is fully-active, installed by Don at Unexpected Creations (aka 6spdcoupe), and it is amazing how much control you have. I have the PP82, Jehnert flatline and a pair of subs in the rear-deck.

While the PP82, IMO, is a sound quality device due to the low wattage output, it still cranks and sounds great. I can turn the volume up all the way on the head unit, and also program the PP82DSP to increase all gains to the Jehnerts, and I know the Jehnerts can take a lot more power.

What I don't know if how JL Audio's amp compares with the PP82. Is 55 watts from the PP82 = to 55 watts from the JL Audio amp or what?

If you want to keep the JL, and want to throw some DSP in the mix to dramatically increase SQ, check out the new miniDSP c-dsp 6x8.

https://www.minidsp.com/products/min...-box/c-dsp-6x8

As good as the helix box, and considerably cheaper (but not plug and play, and no amplification).

cdgatti · 11-21-2015, 06:10 AM

str8 - do you know if the minidsp can take the balanced inputs from the hifi head unit?

tdgesq · 11-21-2015, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cdgatti

str8 - do you know if the minidsp can take the balanced inputs from the hifi head unit?

I have the same question. If you look at some of the other minidsp alternatives they have the "three-wire" balanced option, while the C-DSP 6x8 has only a two-wire high level input option. It may still function properly, but I would check with the manufacturer first.

ctuna · 11-21-2015, 09:57 PM

How do you know its as good as the Helix
though it does seem to have most of the same
features at first glance.

Soul_Glo · 11-22-2015, 05:03 AM

I'm in a similar position my jl gc6600 snuffed it but I've been thinking of arc audio amp or helix dsp

Trelos · 11-25-2015, 09:17 AM

Too many options to contemplate now....think I'll just try and get the JL fixed and drop the jenherts in.

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Trelos Second Lieutenant 45 Rep 225 Posts Drives: 11 white 335xi & 89 white 325i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: northern NJ iTrader: (1)	JL XD600/6 Vs XD700/5 Trying to figure out the best option here. Current setup is: Hi-fi running a JL xd600/6 (ver1) Fronts are Morel Dotech Ovations Rear are BAVsound upgrade speakers. Under-seat Earthquake sws8 (4 ohm) the JL got wet and the rear channel is dead I also have a set of Jehnert xe 200's I will most likely replace the sws8's with the Jehnert's but I need to know if there is a benefit to going with the XD700/5 to drive them (mono) or should I just get another XD600/6 __________________ "I'm bought for the price of a flagon of rice"
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cdgatti Colonel 255 Rep 2,547 Posts Drives: e90 328i Join Date: May 2011 Location: KY iTrader: (4)	id get the helix pp82 dsp. power all the small speakers with it and bridge your remaining working channels on the 600/6 to power the underseats. youll improve staging and power will be huge (no Trump intended)! __________________ OEM Black grill and Blackline tails - LCI halogens with Lux V2 coded as DRL - 3M Crystalline - BMS PBX - OEM Euro Airbox with K&N - Hardwired CTEK - Bilstein B6 w/OEM springs and SP perches - Conti DWS06 - HiFi-Helix DSP - JLAudio HD/XD-Morel - CD changer trim - AE optical out
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ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	I think stereo under seats is better. I think stereo under seats is better. What the last guy said . It's probably worth getting the Jl fixed.
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ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	Well you could go active on the doors with the 82dsp Well you could go active on the doors with the 82dsp. Yes adding and extra level of processing might add artifacts or color the sound in the earlier processors but I wonder how the helix's do ?
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ctuna Lieutenant General 1911 Rep 13,103 Posts Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca iTrader: (0)	How do you know its as good as the Helix How do you know its as good as the Helix though it does seem to have most of the same features at first glance.
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Trelos Second Lieutenant 45 Rep 225 Posts Drives: 11 white 335xi & 89 white 325i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: northern NJ iTrader: (1)	Too many options to contemplate now....think I'll just try and get the JL fixed and drop the jenherts in. __________________ "I'm bought for the price of a flagon of rice"
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