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      04-28-2015, 06:19 PM   #1
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Speculation on next generation G20 3 Series and M3/M4

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We’ve heard it before from the suits in Munich: “The next BMW 3 Series will be even better than the last 3 Series.” Yet somehow, subsequent iterations of the iconic sport sedan have gotten steadily duller, more disconnected. With an all-new BMW 3 Series expected by 2018, we’re hearing the same refrain again. But this time, there’s compelling evidence to support that claim, starting with what we care most about: vehicle dynamics.

Stay with us here. The next-gen 3 Series, reportedly code-named G20, is expected to have a softer ride than the present (F30) car but should also have a sportier, more capable framework. So how will the engineers pull that off? With a little help from adjustable suspension dampers, switchable anti-roll bars, active steering, and a torque-vectoring system that integrates with the car’s ABS and stability control. A longer wheelbase, wider track, lower center of gravity, and lighter curb weight should help, too. Then there’s the really good stuff: stronger brakes, reduced-friction wheel bearings, adaptive suspension that can modulate camber on the fly, all-wheel drive with quicker torque distribution, and aluminum and carbon-fiber compound wheels.

Moving from under the car to under the hood, we expect to see tweaked versions of familiar engines. The 2.0-liter turbo-four in the 328i should put out a healthier 260 hp, and the upgraded 3.0-liter six-pot in its big brother should be good for 365 hp. The diesels will remain loyal to the classic straight-six engine. The M3 and M4 will adopt electronic turbochargers and water injection to push engine output to around 500 hp. We should also see at least two plug-in hybrid variants: a 1.5-liter three-cylinder with a 60-kWh motor that can go for 30 miles of EV-only driving and a 2.0-liter four-cylinder with a 90-kWh motor good for 50 electric-only miles.

The next 3 Series will be built atop a new, highly flexible matrix known as CLAR -- short for cluster architecture -- that is set to be the backbone of all future rear-drive BMWs. The sedan’s overall appearance will be more self-conscious with a more muscular body, a sleeker greenhouse, and a sportier stance. The means to these ends include sharper creases, harder edges, more adventurous radii, and even tighter cutlines. The cabin will look similar but boast a variety of high-definition instrument graphics and a more comprehensive head-up display. A large color monitor in the center stack will blend touchscreen feedback, gesture control, and voice activation with the iDrive dial. The next 3 Series will trade attention-drawing frivolities such as pop-up speakers and light-up badges for substance, character, craftsmanship, and visual and haptic quality. To close the gap with its high-polish German competition, BMW plans to invest in better materials and higher-quality details such as carpets, rubber seals, and sill covers.

The G20 3 Series will continue to offer lots of optional extras, including bespoke driver-assistance systems that should include active lane-keeping assist, automatic braking, self-parking via remote control, automatic overtaking under certain conditions, and semi-autonomous driving both on the highway and in stop-and-go traffic at speeds up to 40 mph. The G20 3 Series will also continue to be available in a number of body styles. The four-door sedan (G20, 2018) will arrive before a Euro-only Touring model (G21, 2019) and a long-wheelbase version (G28, 2019) for the U.S. and China. The long-wheelbase platform could be used for the next 3 Series GT (G24, 2020) and 4 Series Gran Coupe (G26, 2021), but demand for GT and Gran Coupe is so ho-hum that it might end up making more economic sense to combine the two models into one. (We should have more on that by the end of next year.) Still on schedule are the 4 Series coupe (G23, 2020) and convertible (G22, 2020), which will trade a retractable hardtop for a classic softtop.

It seems, then, that this next BMW 3 Series could actually be better than its predecessor. How about that?
Source: http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...#ixzz3YnyRHiPN

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      04-28-2015, 06:28 PM   #2
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Interesting, but the first sentence made me laugh.

What company says "the next gen [insert model here] will be worse than the current gen"?
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      04-28-2015, 06:39 PM   #3
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These articles kill me.

Nothing in that article is anything new:

- We knew the G20 was coming in as a 2019 model (so in 2018)
- We knew it would use 35up/CLAR
- BMW is trending towards "softer but sportier"
- The 340 obviously isn't going anywhere

What really makes me question the article is the fact the 330 is set to replace the 328 starting next year, thus it's almost like this is just a summary of established leaks/assumptions with some incorrect data, rather than hardcore facts from an internal source.
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      04-28-2015, 07:13 PM   #4
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Whoh whoh whoh softtop convertible?!?
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      04-28-2015, 07:19 PM   #5
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All I know is that they'd better improve the plastics in the interior trim and finally dump those halogen bulbs. Although it is crazy to order a 328i now without the xenons, dealerships just continue to order and keep these sad strippers on the lots. Hurts the brand, just not the sales I guess.
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Automobile Magazine on the 2018 3 Series (G20) and Next M3/M4

The latest Automobile magazine has an article on the next generation 3 series. The article mentions that the next M3/M4 will have electronic turbochargers, water injection and an output of around 500 hp. No other specifics about the M's. The water injection was already out, but the turbo change is interesting.

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...-bmw-3-series/
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      04-29-2015, 11:18 AM   #7
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The latest Automobile magazine has an article on the next generation 3 series. The article mentions that the next M3/M4 will have electronic turbochargers, water injection and an output of around 500 hp. No other specifics about the M's. The water injection was already out, but the turbo change is interesting.
Yep, read that too a couple days ago. Maybe electronically controlled vanes in the turbine? That would be amazing!
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      04-29-2015, 11:19 AM   #8
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It's also supposed to have a longer wheelbase, be lower and wider. These better be marginal increases as the current car is large enough.
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      04-29-2015, 11:33 AM   #9
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I want the M4 to be noticeably lighter. That will have many benefits as far as handling, acceleration, response. Don't really need the car to get bigger. Already the size of an older 5 series.
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Electric turbos would be interesting. No lag or exhaust restrictions. But wouldnt this be for the next gen 7 years or so away?
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Electric turbos would be interesting. No lag or exhaust restrictions. But wouldnt this be for the next gen 7 years or so away?
yea the new 3 series comes out in 2018 and if the f30 came out in 2012 and the m3/4 came out in 14 as a 15, then yea, the G80? would be revealed in 2020 as a 2021 lol
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yea the new 3 series comes out in 2018 and if the f30 came out in 2012 and the m3/4 came out in 14 as a 15, then yea, the G80? would be revealed in 2020 as a 2021 lol
Assuming of course, that the zombie apocalypse hasn't occurred by this time.....
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I wish they'd make the damn thing SMALLER. The F8X is at the size limit for me.
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I'd like it if it's a hybrid, and use the electric engine to make up for the drops in torque, like LaFerrari, or i8 for that matter. I'm pretty sure this is being tested in BMW headquarters.
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I wish they'd make the damn thing SMALLER. The F8X is at the size limit for me.
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The f80 is already pushing it in the size department. Wonder how they will manage the weight consider all the new tech that will be added.
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I want the M4 to be noticeably lighter. That will have many benefits as far as handling, acceleration, response.
Should be lighter by using a derivative of the 35up Carbon Core modular architecture as seen on the G11:

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The f80 is already pushing it in the size department. Wonder how they will manage the weight consider all the new tech that will be added.
I think they had to make them bigger to make way for the 2 series / M2
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Ugh ok.
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Lol yea lets put 80more horses on a car that already spins into 3rd gear.. Unless they come w awd, i see this going nowhere.
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Looks like once again the new M will have lost its soul and the F8x M will have to be the torchbearer for true M cars.


Seriously the new tech is getting pretty amazing. Hope the zombie apocalypse is many years off.
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Lol yea lets put 80more horses on a car that already spins into 3rd gear.. Unless they come w awd, i see this going nowhere.
Lol are you really saying no to more power?! (especially if the weight holds steady or reduces)

Put in 305 or 325 wide tires, especially with a tire that is sticker than PSS and modulate the throttle a bit it will be ok.

I think you were spinning the tires going down the front straight from rolling on the throttle while in gear in 3rd and 4th then there is too much power, but chirping the tires on the upshift to 3rd is not a signal for too much power in my mind.
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This sort of story makes me long for the days when the pure BMW was just a simple twin turbo I6.

BMW lost their way with electric turbos and water.

It has no soul!

The C63 will be better!

The F8X was the last true M car!

....and any number of other arguments that have gone 'round over here in the last 2 years. Let the cycle begin anew.
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