[garyhgaryh]

JB2 only? at least let it be a jb2r or something.

just like the typical answer you would get, im sure a procede V2 would have done better

[Walked U]

LOL Probe FTW. Hahahah awesome stuff

Originally Posted by Walked U

LOL Probe FTW. Hahahah awesome stuff

hey man.... those things are fast

[roadkillrob]

I had a probe - they are quick, but not fast like the 335 - it wouldn't even be close but that 14lbs of boost it says he is running probably puts him in the 300's for hp and the car is like 500 lbs lighter!

[Driver72]

Got smoked by a Probe. Too bad their wasn't a Volvo in front of the Probe.
Then it would be
Vulva (oops) Volvo with a Probe on its rear. LOL

Good to see a JB2 only car doing some runs.
They are almost always on JB2R on 96+ Octane, DP's, intake, etc etc or JB2HR, or JB2HHR with all the extras too.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Driver72

They are almost always on JB2R on 96+ Octane, DP's, intake, etc etc or JB2HR, or JB2HHR with all the extras too.

Still less then 1400 in mods though? Just messing with you Michael.

I just find it funny how many times you have to mention that people with JB always have extra mods. I think it is because they have money left over...

Like I said in another thread, lets start racing on total amount of money spent on mods, not just piggyback vs piggyback.

[Dan335i]

Laugh away gents. My neighbor has an 01 civic that will smoke any 335i out there. He runs mid tens. Its not the car, its whats in the car and how well its put together.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Dan335i

Laugh away gents. My neighbor has an 01 civic that will smoke any 335i out there. He runs mid tens. Its not the car, its whats in the car and how well its put together.

Guess what else though, he drives a civic and you drive a BMW. Period.

[jpsimon]

there is always something faster

[michsu]

true.. but it is are you able to afford it? just because he has a 91 honda civic means nothing if he doesn't have a good job or a house.. it's not all about pumping up your vehicles.. this is all just for fun.. he can probably have a good time living in his 91 honda civic... from the looks of it, he couldn't afford the "newer" cars out on the street..

[BoostedBMW]

Damn, I wish I didn't watch that because now I really want a Ford Probe.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Dan335i

Laugh away gents. My neighbor has an 01 civic that will smoke any 335i out there. He runs mid tens. Its not the car, its whats in the car and how well its put together.

For the kind of $$ your neighbor put into his Honda Civic to make it a 10-sec. car, he could've bought a much nicer car. Like I've always said, with enough $$, you can make ANY car very fast, whether it's a BMW, a MB, a Honda Civic, or a Toyota Corolla. But at the end of the day, what do you really want to drive?

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by sflgator

For the kind of $$ your neighbor put into his Honda Civic to make it a 10-sec. car, he could've bought a much nicer car. Like I've always said, with enough $$, you can make ANY car very fast, whether it's a BMW, a MB, a Honda Civic, or a Toyota Corolla. But at the end of the day, what do you really want to drive?

You can build a 10 second Civic for $10k - $15k; hard to get a real nice car for that.

But regardless, we are discussing a race scenario which is irrelevant in the context of vehicle class. If money were on the line (and the contest done on the track), who cares what it is during the competition.

What I want to drive at the end of the day depends on where I am. If I am on a track, I want the vehicle which will perform better; not the one which pampers me.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by scalbert

You can build a 10 second Civic for $10k - $15k; hard to get a real nice car for that.

But regardless, we are discussing a race scenario which is irrelevant in the context of vehicle class. If money were on the line (and the contest done on the track), who cares what it is during the competition.

What I want to drive at the end of the day depends on where I am. If I am on a track, I want the vehicle which will perform better; not the one which pampers me.

Yes, well a track car is a track car (that's a different scenario), and could be a souped up Toyota Tercel...as long as it's very fast and handles well. I was talking more about a DD, and most ppl just don't compare two cars that are obviously in very different car classes, no matter which one is faster.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Yes, well a track car is a track car (that's a different scenario), and could be a souped up Toyota Tercel...as long as it's very fast and handles well. I was talking more about a DD, and most ppl just don't compare two cars that are obviously in very different car classes, no matter which one is faster.

I guess my point was that we do not know if the Probe GT, or our hypothetical Civic, is a DD or a toy driven on the street but mainly for track duty. Yes, as a DD I like to have a more well rounded vehicle. But I still do appreciate a raw vehicle to toss around.

Turn the situation around where both the 335i and a track monster are at a track. The track vehicle owner could reverse the statements and say the BMW over paid to go so slow out on the track. It is just a matter of perspective.

[alms21]

Originally Posted by Dan335i

Laugh away gents. My neighbor has an 01 civic that will smoke any 335i out there. He runs mid tens. Its not the car, its whats in the car and how well its put together.

-- so its more important to you to just be faster in a car that is going to be driven on the street, to go to and from work or out to dinner then to have an all around great looking, great performing, high quality car?

Enjoy the Civic, Corolla, Ford Maverick or whatever. I'll take my slower 335tt.

[Trill335]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Good to see a JB2 only car doing some runs.

I agree it's good to see a JB2 only car doing some runs.

Originally Posted by Driver72

They are almost always on JB2R on 96+ Octane, DP's, intake, etc etc or JB2HR, or JB2HHR with all the extras too.

Is that a fact? Here we go again...

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by alms21

-- so its more important to you to just be faster in a car that is going to be driven on the street, to go to and from work or out to dinner then to have an all around great looking, great performing, high quality car?

Enjoy the Civic, Corolla, Ford Maverick or whatever. I'll take my slower 335tt.

No, I prefer an old POS with a S/C, NOS, coilovers, sways, and a little "bondo" over the rust spots here and there for that "beater" look.

[Dan335i]

Originally Posted by alms21

-- so its more important to you to just be faster in a car that is going to be driven on the street, to go to and from work or out to dinner then to have an all around great looking, great performing, high quality car?

Enjoy the Civic, Corolla, Ford Maverick or whatever. I'll take my slower 335tt.

I think my post was taken wrong. What i was saying is that it doesnt matter whether is was a Ford Probe or whatever.Any modified car done right and built for speed is gonna smoke his 335. Just because its a ford probe he sounded like he was astonished a probe running 14psi or whatever beat his BMW.And i would rather have my 335i coupe over a 10 second honda.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by kyleh4852

Still less then 1400 in mods though? Just messing with you Michael.

I just find it funny how many times you have to mention that people with JB always have extra mods. I think it is because they have money left over...

Like I said in another thread, lets start racing on total amount of money spent on mods, not just piggyback vs piggyback.

It's not a put down of the JB or the guys that own them when I mention that.
The reason I say that is, 95% of JB2 owners run JUST the JB2, or some the JB2H on 93 Octane.
But the only tests we really see are the 5-10% of JB owners who have many other mods too.

As for money left over with the JB2R. Well, maybe up front.
But check back with them in a year or so and see how much money they spent in race gas??

What it comes down to is this:

The JB2 is a great product, but you need to have catless DP's on it to make the same performance of the v2 PROcede on pump gas.
The JB2H is a great alternative too, but you need 93 Octane or cold weather to run it year round too, and still have less power than v2 on 91 Octane.
The JB2R is a great alternative, but you need to be willing to spend $20-30 more per tank to have equal power of the v2 on pump gas.
The JB2HR is a wonderful tune that makes (possibly) a bit more power than the PROcede v2 on 93 Octane pump gas but you need to run 97 Octane to safely run it.
The JB2HHR is a beast, but is not even recommended by Terry, and requires 98 Octane and has boost peaking at 16-16.5 psi.
It makes equal, if not more power than the v2 PROcede on race gas mix with 100% values.

Again, my only point of the JB2 comparos is, 98% of the times/races we see with it are from guys on JB2R or JB2HR and running race gas AND other mods too, and those are probably less than 5% of JB owners who do that.

Would like to see more JB owners running/timing on pump gas that's the only way to fairly compare it to a v2 PROcede car and the only way the cost saving argument for the JB applies. Even using JUST the JB2R full time, in a year of dumping in race gas mixes all the time you will easily have a higher cost than someone running v2 PROcede on pump gas.

Terry knows I respect what he's done and what the JB offers people.
But only seeing his and 3 or 4 other JB guys times all the time when they have multiple mods, race gas mix, intakes, DP's, DR's, weight removal, etc etc. gets repetitive. More "everyday" times/results from pump gas JB owners is nice to see.

[getInline]

Years ago I saw a 1000+hp tubbed out Ford Pinto at the drags with a 454 + a 671 B&M blower under the hood. Any car can be a fast car.