[F30AM]

Not a single BMW.

The list:
1. Honda Jazz
2. Toyota Prius Hatch
3. Lexus CT Hatch
4. Audi Q3 SUV
5.Kia Rio Hatch
6. Peugeot 2008 SUV
7. Skoda Yeti SUV
8. Kia C'eed Hatch
9. Mazda MX-5 Roadster
10. Mazda 3 Hatch

http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/re...rce=newsletter

[Nick the Greek]

I'd like to see the ten least reliable!

[335dMSport+]

I wouldn't want to own a single one of them.

Happy with my 'unreliable' F30!

[Proftinkerpot]

No mention of Ford or Vauxhall either.
Not sure what the survey says apart from these are cars driven by nerds who do online surveys. No offence to owners of those cars!

[F30Andy]

Originally Posted by AlpineWhiteF30MSport

I wouldn't want to own a single one of them.

Happy with my 'unreliable' F30!

+1.

I wonder what exactly is their criteria for reliable.

[....,,,,..,,..]

It would be good if the likes of the RAC / AA published figures for their top 10 attendees along with top ten reasons.

Unfortunately, a bit like JD Powers thing, these tend to rely upon Joe Public completing things like this survey.

So we have a top ten list of Sun (or Mirrors) readers favourite cars.

[Nick the Greek]

I wonder if they take account of the use the car is put to?

A rep in his F30 flogging up and down the motorway with his samples, doing 30k a year, may expect a niggle or two.

Grandma, driving her Jazz to church once a week is unlikely to be stressing the car.

[crazybones]

Originally Posted by Nick the Greek

I'd like to see the ten least reliable!

Full list of 150 cars can be found here. You need to select Reliability from the drop down list.

The 3 Series mark VI (assumed F30) is in 14th place, but the 3 Series Mark V (assumed E90) is 129th!

Not a good advert for Land Rover who occupy 3 out 4 bottom places.

[crazybones]

Just realised that the link above is to the 2014 survey!

[Nick the Greek]

No unfortunately the Indian Land Rovers seem no better than the American ones....

[Ulijin]

I'd take that list with a pinch of salt! Granted it'll probably be researched correctly, but there'll be other contributory factors. Apart from the MX-5 those cars are all likely to be driven low miles and by people who won't ever push the engine.

It's a bit like insurance, the best handling car which you might sensibly assume would be best at avoiding an accident will not necessarily be the cheapest to insure... The person that's likely to buy it will contribute much more than the cars handling to the risk involved.

Lies, damn lies and statistics comes to mind!

[movietub]

As always top reliability lists full of Japanese cars! Which from personal experience, I have to say makes sense!

But it all kinda pointless as these days virtually all cars are so stupidly reliable it makes no difference. I'm only 33 but as a kid I can remember it being an almost daily occurrence to hear a car struggling to start in the morning. Pretty much every car I rode in had some sort of fault back then lol.

It's odd the q3 made the list though. Does that really mean that by putting the car its based upon on stilts, and adding weight, and encouraging its owners to drive on bumpier roads, they have somehow made it more reliable!? Seems unlikely so I think the list must be skewed by the 'type' of people that own certain cars. You would have to be supremely easily pleased to own a q3.

[G82Dude]

A pug is number 6?!?

My mum has a Jazz (she loves it). But leave it a week and the battery is flat! Apparently, according to Honda, officially you can't leave your car for over 3 weeks and expect it to start. Their recommendation? Disconnect the -ve on the battery. Awesome.

[movietub]

Originally Posted by F32Dude

A pug is number 6?!?

Think about it. If you were so easily pleased with a car that you thought a pug was an acceptable choice, you probably wouldn't notice or care about all sorts of little faults.

If you buy a decent car and the tracking keeps wandering off you notice the shuddering wheel and you care, and you report it, it becomes a fault. I honestly don't think most pug drivers know how to drive, let alone if the cars behaving itself properly.

I hate pug drivers with a passion. On my drive home I go through villages and open roads. They do 40mph on the open roads and hold me up, then continue at 40 through the villages despite the 30 signs. Pugs have only 2 speeds: 1) parked badly doing 0mph 2) 40mph.

They brake before indicating, they cross lanes at roundabouts and if you flash them to wake them up they pull faces that clearly show they consider themselves a 'safe and steady' driver that will not be bullied.

I'm forced to drive a fast car just so I'm able to overtake these lunatics the first time is see ten yards of clear road ahead of them.

Wow.. They really do wind me up

[SkyJawa]

Its a load of twaddle, only way a Peugeot could be in there! (and I own a Pug! - but it is not a badly parked one or 40 everywhere one )

[RichardJ]

Lots of Japanese models in the top 10 is to be expected. Usually the German models follow them. Would be good to see the top 25. The f30 usually performs quite well in the reliability surveys. Latest JD power survey is released soon, should make interesting reading.

[JC72]

In the 4 years I've had my F10 - not a single, glitch, squeak or rattle and I've found the service from Sytners second to none.

Seems strange that BMW sit so low

[simnew]

Owner satisfaction is the important score. The survey above is probably screwed against cars which are used for business and therefore are the most abused and have a fairly hard life (but that is all relative).

On owner satisfaction, the BMW's will be close to the top of the list and have been for a very long time because even though there can be the odd niggle, the underlying engineering is strong and reliable ( and if it isn't they usually fix it in my experience - eventually). I buy BMW because I love the 6 pot engines (and that is a prereq for every BMW I will own) - diesel of petrol I don't care too much about these days as the gaps are getting narrower, but when I get out of my car and drive some other cars, it makes me appreciate what an amazing machine it is. Looking forward to my new mean machine arriving on Thursday !!

[movietub]

Originally Posted by JC72

In the 4 years I've had my F10 - not a single, glitch, squeak or rattle and I've found the service from Sytners second to none.

Seems strange that BMW sit so low

Got to keep it in perspective though.

4 years is good, but probably most cars manage that these days. I've owned 3 japanese cars. An Accord, that ate it's own auto box at just 40k, not good!

But also an old Mazda 323 that breezed through it's 275k mile mot with no work required and almost never suffered a fault. This was a car built at a time when most European cars were pretty much assumed to break down occasionally!

My first Jap car (in fact my first car full stop) was a 91 reg Honda CRX vtec. I bought it with 100k on the clock and drove it like a lunatic everywhere. I never changed gear until around 8200 rpm and it survived a further 80k fault free miles (other than dirt in distributor cap once) and was only scrapped due to rusty rear arches. 80,000 miles of blatant mechanical abuse!

BMW are excellent cars, I could argue they make the best cars in the world these days. But Japanese levels of reliability are just mind boggling. It shouldn't be possible.

[pedroF31]

Recently bought my mum a Jazz - the previous person who owned it had only driven 4,000 miles in the previous 5 years ! My mum has done about 200 miles in 3 months (due to hip replacement). These examples suggest why the Jazz may always top the reliability list !

Worst car I ever owned was a Toyota Rav 4 - worst piece of under-engineered junk I have ever owned. No end of problems due to poor design including things that literally fell off it and structure that cracked etc. Traded it in for a Land Rover Freelander 2 and have never looked back

[robwils]

Originally Posted by movietub

Think about it. If you were so easily pleased with a car that you thought a pug was an acceptable choice, you probably wouldn't notice or care about all sorts of little faults.

If you buy a decent car and the tracking keeps wandering off you notice the shuddering wheel and you care, and you report it, it becomes a fault. I honestly don't think most pug drivers know how to drive, let alone if the cars behaving itself properly.

I hate pug drivers with a passion. On my drive home I go through villages and open roads. They do 40mph on the open roads and hold me up, then continue at 40 through the villages despite the 30 signs. Pugs have only 2 speeds: 1) parked badly doing 0mph 2) 40mph.

They brake before indicating, they cross lanes at roundabouts and if you flash them to wake them up they pull faces that clearly show they consider themselves a 'safe and steady' driver that will not be bullied.

I'm forced to drive a fast car just so I'm able to overtake these lunatics the first time is see ten yards of clear road ahead of them.

Wow.. They really do wind me up

Just have a look on some other public forums /social media and see how many similar posts you see about BMW drivers

[oop north]

I am sure I have seen survey results where BMWs were the most reliable company cars - but in other surveys Land Rovers come worst, yet in others BMW X5s are much worse than, say, Discovery 4

I do wonder if the approach that says "if a car I think is rubbish gets a good customer satisfaction mark it must be because the sort of people likely to buy them don't know what they are talking about" is just self-delusion, though!