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      09-23-2014, 07:13 PM   #1
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FMIC Help Options for OEM fit

Need some help on my Options for a Front Mount for my 2007 E92 335i.

Other then the Forge and Mishimoto what are my Options on a front mount that is a plug and play unit? Looking for something without any Cutting and will use all OEM Piping. I know the two I have listed do this but are there any others I don't know of?
Can you post up links of any. Thank you all for your help.
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      09-23-2014, 07:15 PM   #2
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I think the stepped VRSF 5" will fit without cutting
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Look up Wagner fmic
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      09-23-2014, 07:26 PM   #4
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I think the stepped VRSF 5" will fit without cutting
Looks like the VRSF dose not use OEM pipes

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Look up Wagner fmic
Took a look at it and that might be the ticket and only $650 but looks like it's on back order.
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650 is expensive. But the cheapest you can find a mishimoto is 550 (topgesrsolutions) Nobody has ever done a comparison between the 2. The benefit of the Wagner being it is stepped. I'm on the same boat your in I want to keep it as stock looking as possible.
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650 is expensive. But the cheapest you can find a mishimoto is 550 (topgesrsolutions) Nobody has ever done a comparison between the 2. The benefit of the Wagner being it is stepped. I'm on the same boat your in I want to keep it as stock looking as possible.
Well it's looking like
Forge $1100
Mishimoto $597
Wagner Tuning EVO1 $650
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      09-23-2014, 08:27 PM   #7
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If the VRSF is like my 7" it uses it's own pipes but the stock pipes are still good and you can reverse the install without getting new ones. So if you're worried about reversing to stock you can.
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If the VRSF is like my 7" it uses it's own pipes but the stock pipes are still good and you can reverse the install without getting new ones. So if you're worried about reversing to stock you can.
You still have to cut the accordion type hose on the passenger side though.
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Vrsf has. A stepped 5" for 449. It's not bad at all. Wish they made it with stock connectors though. But that's a good deal.
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      09-23-2014, 10:01 PM   #10
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With the 07 you need to go Wagner or helix for the best fitment. Pre lci cars the vrsf hangs low and there will be a slight gap (unless they fixed it)
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The stock connectors neck down to less than 2". They're a huge restriction and have proven to leak above stock boost levels.

You can absolutely put the car back to stock when you're done with the FMIC, you don't cut the connectors off, you remove the clamp that holds the connectors in place. If you need to re-install the intercooler you can easily purchase two BMW worm gear clamps to replace the factory ones that were removed.

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With the 07 you need to go Wagner or helix for the best fitment. Pre lci cars the vrsf hangs low and there will be a slight gap (unless they fixed it)
There's no "gap" or low hanging on any model unless the car is missing it's weather stripping or it was improperly installed. The 5" stepped unit covers the entire open area as well.
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I have the ER and its not much more noticeable in the front than the stock aside from it being a little more shiny. I understand maybe not wanting to trim the radiator shroud, but wanting to have smaller, more restrictive stock connections on the intercooler and willing to pay more for less performance just doesn't make sense to me. You don't have to "cut" the accordion hose, you just break the one time use clamp and you can get another one of those... You can also get another accordion hose. VRFS 5" stepped plus brand new accordion hose would be less than those more restrictive cores.
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I have the ER and its not much more noticeable in the front than the stock aside from it being a little more shiny. I understand maybe not wanting to trim the radiator shroud, but wanting to have smaller, more restrictive stock connections on the intercooler and willing to pay more for less performance just doesn't make sense to me. You don't have to "cut" the accordion hose, you just break the one time use clamp and you can get another one of those... You can also get another accordion hose. VRFS 5" stepped plus brand new accordion hose would be less than those more restrictive cores.
Your saying the 5 inch stepped can be used with the accordion hose ?
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Your saying the 5 inch stepped can be used with the accordion hose ?

No, I'm saying you can simply get another accordion hose or just another clamp if you wanted to return your car to 100% factory specs. I am not understanding the desire to run restrictive hardware on a part designed to increase flow and cooling especially when it is closing the door to more efficient cores such as the VRSF stepped in return for, at bare minimum, an additional $200.
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No, I'm saying you can simply get another accordion hose or just another clamp if you wanted to return your car to 100% factory specs. I am not understanding the desire to run restrictive hardware on a part designed to increase flow and cooling especially when it is closing the door to more efficient cores such as the VRSF stepped in return for, at bare minimum, an additional $200.
No, I get you and understand your reasoning. I just wanted to know the answer just in case it does allow to use that hose.
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but the stock clamp is NOT a worm style clamp, it would be obvious it was removed/replaced
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but the stock clamp is NOT a worm style clamp, it would be obvious it was removed/replaced
You can purchase the stock clamps... I don't know why this is an issue. I doubt a warranty would be denied if your intercooler clamp looked a little too clean. If the type of clamps you're using will encourage you to buy a poorer performing, more expensive intercooler, then why bother modifying your car in the first place? Am I lost in a classic corvette forum?
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You can purchase the stock clamps... I don't know why this is an issue. I doubt a warranty would be denied if your intercooler clamp looked a little too clean. If the type of clamps you're using will encourage you to buy a poorer performing, more expensive intercooler, then why bother modifying your car in the first place? Am I lost in a classic corvette forum?
so what is the proper tool to remove/reinstall that one time use clamp anyway?
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You can purchase the stock clamps... I don't know why this is an issue. I doubt a warranty would be denied if your intercooler clamp looked a little too clean. If the type of clamps you're using will encourage you to buy a poorer performing, more expensive intercooler, then why bother modifying your car in the first place? Am I lost in a classic corvette forum?
+1. I don't get why people are so anal about usig the stock restrictive connectors. VRSF has gone this route for a reason. They've done the testing and know their setup is far better. They wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't worth it.
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+1. I don't get why people are so anal about usig the stock restrictive connectors. VRSF has gone this route for a reason. They've done the testing and know their setup is far better. They wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't worth it.
Well not to be rude or offend you or anyone else as to why I want to do this in this way is in the end it's my car my thinking and it's how I want to do it. To put it plane and simple I just want something a bit more efishent then stock not looking for every last 1/2 hp just somewhat better then stock if I want fast I'll get on my Ducati. But thank you all for the input.
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so what is the proper tool to remove/reinstall that one time use clamp anyway?
Someone else may be able to chime in here, but you don't reinstall it since you have to break it. I just pried mine open with a screw driver with no intention of ever using a clamp like that again.

As for OP, you are free to do whatever you wish with your car, but you come to a forum looking for advice, so people with the experience you are looking for chime in with their advice. May not always be what you want to hear, but at the end of the day, do what you want with your car. If you want to spend $1,000 on a restrictive intercooler, then by all means... If you have silly requirements that don't make any sense and don't wish to elaborate as to why you need restrictive OEM connections on an aftermarket intercooler, just expect people to question your logic.
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Someone else may be able to chime in here, but you don't reinstall it since you have to break it. I just pried mine open with a screw driver with no intention of ever using a clamp like that again.

As for OP, you are free to do whatever you wish with your car, but you come to a forum looking for advice, so people with the experience you are looking for chime in with their advice. May not always be what you want to hear, but at the end of the day, do what you want with your car. If you want to spend $1,000 on a restrictive intercooler, then by all means... If you have silly requirements that don't make any sense and don't wish to elaborate as to why you need restrictive OEM connections on an aftermarket intercooler, just expect people to question your logic.

Like I said its my parogative and I did not ask what was the best or has the most HP numbers I was very spasific in my title and what I was looking for in my post and title, I don't want to know the best flowing FMIC just plane and simple "what FMIC's work and mate up with OEM lines" can't make it any simpler if it dose not fit that criteria then it's not something I want to consider. But Thank you
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