Meth kit or stick with E85

Schmidty335i · 09-16-2014, 04:45 PM

i live in san diego so it is a big pain to get anything from BMS due to the emission laws here. i usually have to order it to vegas where my sister lived but she moved back to SD last month. anyways my question is, i have a gas station that i can get e85 from and it is super close. should i just stick with E85 or try and go with both? i hear really good things about meth and would love to get a kit. is there any where that i can order a JB4 compatable meth kit that can be sent to san diego? thanks for all of your guys help!

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 09-16-2014, 04:54 PM

We can send it to you.

Schmidty335i · 09-16-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

We can send it to you.

which kit will work with the N55 motor and JB4? i am looking on your sight and it looks like the only BMS one you have is for the N54. Thanks for your quick respones!

Subaru335i · 09-16-2014, 10:22 PM

E85>meth if it is available. You will run into fuel pump limitations sooner with E85 tho. Needs more flow per HP.

Schmidty335i · 09-17-2014, 11:14 AM

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E85>meth if it is available. You will run into fuel pump limitations sooner with E85 tho. Needs more flow per HP.

So would it just be smarter to get a new fuel pump instead of a meth kit?

Subaru335i · 09-17-2014, 12:21 PM

What are your HP goals?

Schmidty335i · 09-17-2014, 01:36 PM

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What are your HP goals?

I'm looking for somewhere around 450 to the wheels. I know i still need a lot of parts, but that's my end goal for now.

JETmn · 09-17-2014, 02:16 PM

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I'm looking for somewhere around 450 to the wheels. I know i still need a lot of parts, but that's my end goal for now.

You are going to need a stage 2 turbo then. VTT is the only one out now and Pure has one that is not too far off. RB is quite a ways off.

tke344 · 09-17-2014, 02:27 PM

Might as well get the LPFP if you're looking to hit those numbers. You'll need it eventually even if you don't max the stock pump right away. I think ~E50% will get you enough octane to max out the stock turbo and the original LPFP seems to be capable of that, although I'd question for how long.

I'm running E50 on the stock pump and I'm not seeing any signs that it's not keeping up, I often see my AFR go richer than what I have targeted.

Schmidty335i · 09-18-2014, 11:47 AM

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You are going to need a stage 2 turbo then. VTT is the only one out now and Pure has one that is not too far off. RB is quite a ways off.

i think ill wait for pure to come out with their stage 2 since they are only about a 30 min drive from where i live. Anyone find out what their stage 1 maxes out at?

Schmidty335i · 09-18-2014, 11:49 AM

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Might as well get the LPFP if you're looking to hit those numbers. You'll need it eventually even if you don't max the stock pump right away. I think ~E50% will get you enough octane to max out the stock turbo and the original LPFP seems to be capable of that, although I'd question for how long.

I'm running E50 on the stock pump and I'm not seeing any signs that it's not keeping up, I often see my AFR go richer than what I have targeted.

thats good to hear that you're running 50% and your pump isnt having any problems! might just stick with the stock one for now and keep an eye on my logs.

tke344 · 09-18-2014, 02:05 PM

Yeah.. I'm not sure if the JB4 can log LPFP pressure (cobb can't unfortunately) but that would be worth looking at, and obviously AFR and STFTs. I'm only basing my thoughts on AFR and STFT so I very well could be close to maxing out my pump.

I do have a feeling at ~17+ PSI with higher concentrations of Ethanol, spark is an issue. Spraying that much fuel plus all of the boost is causing what seems to be a misfire, even with new plugs. I have NGK 5992s gapped at .025 but I think they need to be .022 - Another member reported idle issues with .023 so I went with .025 but I might be blowing out the spark. I really don't feel like pulling them out so I'm going to see where I'm at after adjusting the map.

Schmidty335i · 09-27-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JETmn

You are going to need a stage 2 turbo then. VTT is the only one out now and Pure has one that is not too far off. RB is quite a ways off.

Just decided to go with the stage 1 pure turbo instead of waiting. its getting installed as we speak. ill be happy with 420 or so whp for the price of the stage one. i am planning on going 50% e85 and 50% california 91 oct. you think with the bigger turbo it would be smart to get the meth kit since i will have a bigger turbo hungry for octane lol? thanks again for all your info

elinstylez · 09-27-2014, 05:47 PM

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Just decided to go with the stage 1 pure turbo instead of waiting. its getting installed as we speak. ill be happy with 420 or so whp for the price of the stage one. i am planning on going 50% e85 and 50% california 91 oct. you think with the bigger turbo it would be smart to get the meth kit since i will have a bigger turbo hungry for octane lol? thanks again for all your info

Congrats! Please write a review of it after it's all done

tc535i · 09-27-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tke344

Yeah.. I'm not sure if the JB4 can log LPFP pressure (cobb can't unfortunately) but that would be worth looking at, and obviously AFR and STFTs. I'm only basing my thoughts on AFR and STFT so I very well could be close to maxing out my pump.

I do have a feeling at ~17+ PSI with higher concentrations of Ethanol, spark is an issue. Spraying that much fuel plus all of the boost is causing what seems to be a misfire, even with new plugs. I have NGK 5992s gapped at .025 but I think they need to be .022 - Another member reported idle issues with .023 so I went with .025 but I might be blowing out the spark. I really don't feel like pulling them out so I'm going to see where I'm at after adjusting the map.

Running the walbro 450lph and map 7 with 60-70% e85 I did 420whp/440wtq. Stock plugs, maybe 5k miles on them. 18 peak psi or so, pump gas flash. No problem with fuel pressure or timing.

tke344 · 09-28-2014, 08:59 AM

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Running the walbro 450lph and map 7 with 60-70% e85 I did 420whp/440wtq. Stock plugs, maybe 5k miles on them. 18 peak psi or so, pump gas flash. No problem with fuel pressure or timing.

Good to hear, I'd like to do the LPFP upgrade at some point, and I'm thinking a JB4 might be soon as well. After some more testing I think I was just feeling throttle closures, which I think I have mostly worked out. Still strongly considering a JB4 however

adventr · 09-28-2014, 11:17 AM

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Good to hear, I'd like to do the LPFP upgrade at some point, and I'm thinking a JB4 might be soon as well. After some more testing I think I was just feeling throttle closures, which I think I have mostly worked out. Still strongly considering a JB4 however

Throttle closures with the Cobb are brutal... At least they were on my car. Sounds like anti-lag on a rally car. Lol

Throttle closures on the jb4 are very smooth. You just feel a decrease in power, and that's it. Only time I've experienced them with jb4 is when I forget to turn off traction control and get into it hard.

Schmidty335i · 09-29-2014, 08:46 AM

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Congrats! Please write a review of it after it's all done

will do! i am so excited i can barely stand it. i should be getting it back maybe today but for sure by tomorrow!

aren93 · 09-29-2014, 10:19 AM

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will do! i am so excited i can barely stand it. i should be getting it back maybe today but for sure by tomorrow!

Awesome man post some videos once you have fun with it lol

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 09-29-2014, 10:44 AM

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which kit will work with the N55 motor and JB4? i am looking on your sight and it looks like the only BMS one you have is for the N54. Thanks for your quick respones!

I would stay with BMS Meth kits if you have a JB4.

Schmidty335i · 09-29-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

I would stay with BMS Meth kits if you have a JB4.

are bms meth kits compatible with both n55 and n54 or is there a specific kit for each one?

Schmidty335i · 09-29-2014, 11:10 AM

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Awesome man post some videos once you have fun with it lol

thats gonna be one of my first missions haha gonna put my go pro to use!

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tke344 Lieutenant 38 Rep 463 Posts Drives: f15 X5 50i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Charlotte iTrader: (1)	Might as well get the LPFP if you're looking to hit those numbers. You'll need it eventually even if you don't max the stock pump right away. I think ~E50% will get you enough octane to max out the stock turbo and the original LPFP seems to be capable of that, although I'd question for how long. I'm running E50 on the stock pump and I'm not seeing any signs that it's not keeping up, I often see my AFR go richer than what I have targeted.
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tke344 Lieutenant 38 Rep 463 Posts Drives: f15 X5 50i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Charlotte iTrader: (1)	Yeah.. I'm not sure if the JB4 can log LPFP pressure (cobb can't unfortunately) but that would be worth looking at, and obviously AFR and STFTs. I'm only basing my thoughts on AFR and STFT so I very well could be close to maxing out my pump. I do have a feeling at ~17+ PSI with higher concentrations of Ethanol, spark is an issue. Spraying that much fuel plus all of the boost is causing what seems to be a misfire, even with new plugs. I have NGK 5992s gapped at .025 but I think they need to be .022 - Another member reported idle issues with .023 so I went with .025 but I might be blowing out the spark. I really don't feel like pulling them out so I'm going to see where I'm at after adjusting the map.
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