Dinan flash dyno poll

stressdoc · 12-20-2007, 04:31 PM

No one has done it yet, there are guesses all over the map, let's all go on record!

Orb is getting dyno'd tomorrow, and there are records for 10 other 335s, including stock and PROcede (not sure if they have a 2.02 -- orb?). So let's do this in terms of gain from stock, maximum whp [SAE rwhp -- the dyno measure, not adjusted for drivetrain loss, i.e., not estimated crank hp like included in the Dinan stats] -- not max gain at certain rpm like Dinan claimed, but max vs. max. So if the stock average was 270, and orb's car does 310, that would be +40.

bronco · 12-20-2007, 04:51 PM

I would say that it is 50

slubu · 12-20-2007, 04:51 PM

Orb's car will have 319rwhp. So + 50 from stock.

sflgator · 12-20-2007, 04:57 PM

I'm guessing ~ 315WHP / 335 lb.-ft. RWTQ after the Dinan ECU Flash...a +45WHP/+55 lb.-ft. RWTQ. Let's see who gets closest to the target.

myfirstbmw335i · 12-20-2007, 04:58 PM

+50 would be acceptable....that would make my car 328 RWHP as my stock run was 278 RWHP corrected...

down4it · 12-20-2007, 05:10 PM

My car now has 160WTQ over stock... Byahhhhhh!!!!

stressdoc · 12-20-2007, 05:15 PM

My guess is that torque will be up about 10 - 20% more than wbhp. E.g., +40 wbhp, +50 ft lbs.

bmwzimmer · 12-20-2007, 05:32 PM

my estimates....
320-330 hp, 340-355tq. (depending on octane)
Very Similar numbers to JB2H.

Driver72 · 12-20-2007, 06:00 PM

I'm guessing they will be a bit less than PROcede v1.47 on 91 Octane.

Dinan's flash apparently has peak boost of 13.2 psi
With v1.47 you get about 13.5-14 peak psi around 3200-3400 rpms.

I don't know if the Dinan will have more boost up top then v1.47 though.

It shouldn't be too long, but I'm sure someone with the Dinan flash will be able to meet up with someone with v1.47 and dyno there cars on the same day on the same dyno.

I think I gained around 47-50 rwhp with v1.47 over stock.

Without knowing how much boost the Dinan flash puts out from 4500-5500 rpms we wont' be able to accurately predict rwhp numbers.

O-cha · 12-20-2007, 06:01 PM

wbph lol?

Sniz · 12-20-2007, 06:04 PM

I say 53whp over stock. by the way, did he dyno his car stock??

Otherwise all of our guesses will be pointless.

BoostedBMW · 12-20-2007, 06:11 PM

I'm going with +50 also... I predicted 33x whp in another thread, but it really depends on the baseline for whatever dyno he uses so this is a pretty good idea for a thread.

Rusty's508whp · 12-20-2007, 06:40 PM

50+

NYCGarbagePrince · 12-20-2007, 07:14 PM

Dinan Flash = Carbon Copy HP/TQ of 1.47 is my guess. I would have to say 1.47 was pretty much the end of the conservative nature of 335i tuning. Even JB which was conservative has moved in the direction of R and even H, adding more and more boost. Dinan doesn't want to blow up anyones car or put any unnecessary stress on parts. 320-330whp 350-375wtq

OpenFlash · 12-20-2007, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

Dinan Flash = Carbon Copy HP/TQ of 1.47 is my guess. I would have to say 1.47 was pretty much the end of the conservative nature of 335i tuning. Even JB which was conservative has moved in the direction of R and even H, adding more and more boost. Dinan doesn't want to blow up anyones car or put any unnecessary stress on parts. 320-330whp 350-375wtq

v1.47 is around the power limit of what one can tune without direct control of boost. This is why v2, which controls both solenoids directly, is capable of making so much more power. With a reflash, boost is controlled directly as well, so there should be no boost control limitations (a la v1.47). So, as with v2, the Dinan flash should be capable of offering plenty of power assuming they have control all the necessary parameters.

Shiv

LODOSS · 12-20-2007, 08:39 PM

As I have said this before.. the amount of boost is usually a good tool to get an idea of how much more power.. since they are going from 8.5 to 13.2 ?? almost 5 lbs.. i would say it'll be at least 60-70 hp at the wheels.

Driver72 · 12-20-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LODOSS

As I have said this before.. the amount of boost is usually a good tool to get an idea of how much more power.. since they are going from 8.5 to 13.2 ?? almost 5 lbs.. i would say it'll be at least 60-70 hp at the wheels.

NONE of the current tunes will make 60-70 hp to the wheels with just 13.2 psi peak boost.

And you need to know more than just the amount of boost (at peak) to determine rwhp.
Dinan has only said the peak boost is 13.2 psi.
But if that happens at 4000 rpms or under that won't be the point where the car makes it's peak power.

It would be much more valuable to know what the boost is in the 4500-6000 rpm range....it's in this range where peak rwhp will occur (usually 5000-5800 rpms to be exact).

Orb · 12-20-2007, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driver72

NONE of the current tunes will make 60-70 hp to the wheels with just 13.2 psi peak boost.

And you need to know more than just the amount of boost (at peak) to determine rwhp.
Dinan has only said the peak boost is 13.2 psi.
But if that happens at 4000 rpms or under that won't be the point where the car makes it's peak power.

It would be much more valuable to know what the boost is in the 4500-6000 rpm range....it's in this range where peak rwhp will occur (usually 5000-5800 rpms to be exact).

The boost vs RPM is in the Dinan dyno numbers A lot easier to see if you download the PDF

Orb

Driver72 · 12-20-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orb

The boost vs RPM is in the Dinan dyno numbers A lot easier to see if you download the PDF

Orb

Where is that?

Calgary Agent · 12-20-2007, 09:58 PM

I think ORB will be running 94 octane (Chevron?), and if another Vancouverite shows up with a stock AT car to compare, I'll wager there's gains of about 55HP & 67 lb-ft at rear wheel.

Orb · 12-20-2007, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Driver72

Where is that?

Attached pdf.

Orb

LODOSS · 12-20-2007, 10:30 PM

Hm.. stock car makes around 270-280 hp.. most JB2S, 1.47, SSTT are making around 320-330 with just the chip and thats at 11.5 -12 psi.. so i don't see how at 13.2 psi, it can't make 60 hp at wheel.

View Poll Results: Dinan flash wbhp gain over stock -- max
+20	2	2.30%
+30	5	5.75%
+40	30	34.48%
+50	39	44.83%
+60	8	9.20%
>70	3	3.45%
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12-20-2007, 04:31 PM	#1
stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,855 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	Dinan flash dyno poll No one has done it yet, there are guesses all over the map, let's all go on record! Orb is getting dyno'd tomorrow, and there are records for 10 other 335s, including stock and PROcede (not sure if they have a 2.02 -- orb?). So let's do this in terms of gain from stock, maximum whp [SAE rwhp -- the dyno measure, not adjusted for drivetrain loss, i.e., not estimated crank hp like included in the Dinan stats] -- not max gain at certain rpm like Dinan claimed, but max vs. max. So if the stock average was 270, and orb's car does 310, that would be +40. __________________ My recent ED photos: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1026808 my not-so-recent ED: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31829 Please join BMWCCA http://bmwcca.org/index.php?pageid=c...&ref_by=300279 Last edited by stressdoc; 12-21-2007 at 12:19 PM..
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12-20-2007, 04:51 PM	#2
bronco Colonel 76 Rep 2,104 Posts Drives: e92 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	I would say that it is 50 __________________ SaaS - The world of tomorrow is already here...www.saaschronicles.com
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12-20-2007, 05:10 PM	#6
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12-20-2007, 05:15 PM	#7
stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,855 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	My guess is that torque will be up about 10 - 20% more than wbhp. E.g., +40 wbhp, +50 ft lbs. __________________ My recent ED photos: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1026808 my not-so-recent ED: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31829 Please join BMWCCA http://bmwcca.org/index.php?pageid=c...&ref_by=300279
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12-20-2007, 05:32 PM	#8
bmwzimmer Major 35 Rep 1,084 Posts Drives: 335 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 91 octane states iTrader: (0)	my estimates.... 320-330 hp, 340-355tq. (depending on octane) Very Similar numbers to JB2H.
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12-20-2007, 06:00 PM	#9
Driver72 Brigadier General 327 Rep 4,484 Posts Drives: 335i - to new owners now. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California iTrader: (0)	I'm guessing they will be a bit less than PROcede v1.47 on 91 Octane. Dinan's flash apparently has peak boost of 13.2 psi With v1.47 you get about 13.5-14 peak psi around 3200-3400 rpms. I don't know if the Dinan will have more boost up top then v1.47 though. It shouldn't be too long, but I'm sure someone with the Dinan flash will be able to meet up with someone with v1.47 and dyno there cars on the same day on the same dyno. I think I gained around 47-50 rwhp with v1.47 over stock. Without knowing how much boost the Dinan flash puts out from 4500-5500 rpms we wont' be able to accurately predict rwhp numbers.
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12-20-2007, 06:01 PM	#10
O-cha Brigadier General 218 Rep 4,726 Posts Drives: Mcoupe Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In front of you iTrader: (2)	wbph lol? __________________
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12-20-2007, 06:04 PM	#11
Sniz Lieutenant General 654 Rep 10,587 Posts Drives: e92 335 - gone // e36 M3 turbo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ellicott City, MD iTrader: (1)	I say 53whp over stock. by the way, did he dyno his car stock?? Otherwise all of our guesses will be pointless. __________________
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12-20-2007, 06:11 PM	#12
BoostedBMW Moderator 132 Rep 6,775 Posts Drives: TiAg E92 335 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC iTrader: (14) Garage List 2003 S2000 [0.00]	I'm going with +50 also... I predicted 33x whp in another thread, but it really depends on the baseline for whatever dyno he uses so this is a pretty good idea for a thread. __________________ -Michael. Berlina Black S2000 CR is now in the garage l 19" Rial Daytona Race l KW V2 l Eisenhaus Race Exhaust l
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12-20-2007, 07:14 PM	#14
NYCGarbagePrince Major 247 Rep 1,435 Posts Drives: X6 50i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	Dinan Flash = Carbon Copy HP/TQ of 1.47 is my guess. I would have to say 1.47 was pretty much the end of the conservative nature of 335i tuning. Even JB which was conservative has moved in the direction of R and even H, adding more and more boost. Dinan doesn't want to blow up anyones car or put any unnecessary stress on parts. 320-330whp 350-375wtq
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12-20-2007, 08:39 PM	#16
LODOSS First Lieutenant 5 Rep 306 Posts Drives: AW 335 E92 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: VA iTrader: (1)	As I have said this before.. the amount of boost is usually a good tool to get an idea of how much more power.. since they are going from 8.5 to 13.2 ?? almost 5 lbs.. i would say it'll be at least 60-70 hp at the wheels.
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12-20-2007, 09:58 PM	#20
Calgary Agent Captain 21 Rep 703 Posts Drives: '11 550i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Calgary, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 F10 550i [0.00]	I think ORB will be running 94 octane (Chevron?), and if another Vancouverite shows up with a stock AT car to compare, I'll wager there's gains of about 55HP & 67 lb-ft at rear wheel.
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12-20-2007, 10:30 PM	#22
LODOSS First Lieutenant 5 Rep 306 Posts Drives: AW 335 E92 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: VA iTrader: (1)	Hm.. stock car makes around 270-280 hp.. most JB2S, 1.47, SSTT are making around 320-330 with just the chip and thats at 11.5 -12 psi.. so i don't see how at 13.2 psi, it can't make 60 hp at wheel.
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