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      08-03-2014, 05:14 AM   #1
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How to diagnose k-can

Hi,

My car with auto. transmission was originally deliver with aux. heating and complete bluetooth. I've removed both options from the car inc. the wiring of those options. I also removed the most bus. (from google http://www.bellbottomblasters.com/images/bmw17.jpg)
When I now insert the key and press the start button (where all the lights of the cluster should light up) nothing happens however when I press the brake pedal I can start the car and steering works. (didn't drive the car)
When the engine is running I get a couple or red icons on the cluster. (abs, parking brake, dtc, engine etc.)
The elz isn't working either. I hear no sound. So basically all modules are dead.
Also when I tried to diagnose the car there is no signal from +15 when the engine is running +15 has 13,xxV but still can't diagnose.
I've measured +15 into cas module and it's receiving 12V on +15.
I also can't put the selector in P. I've to do i manually.

My question is who has any experience how to solve this? How to diagnose k-can?

My hardware is an Icom with ista-p, ista-d, ncsexpert and inpa.
Any help and links will be appreciated.
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      08-03-2014, 11:15 AM   #2
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Your question and what you did don't have details.

Your question and what you did don't have details.
If you have a Most based car you can't take out anything in the loop
and expect things to work. You don't say which sound system you have
if you have L7 and you take out anything in the Most loop you won't have
sound .(cause you broke the Most Ring) The other two common systems would work. Bluetooth varrys from year to year in which
modules if any are used to make it work.
I don't know if this is a language problem but you need to state things
like what the year and model of the car are and the options.
Especially type of Sound system and Nav or Pro Radio.
If you have diagnostic questions you would be better off taking them to the
coding subforum. If you ripped out the Most Bus and I would guess an
Icom cable wouldn't work as it uses the Most Bus( icom b is a direct most bus connection). A Can bus cable should
still work with Inpa at least at the OBD Port..
I would put things back the way the were and see if the problems go away for starters. The voltages seem fine or close to fine.
I would think Inpa would still work over the OBD connection.

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      08-03-2014, 04:24 PM   #3
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Hi,

Definitely not a language problem.

Car details: europe E90 from 2006 with automatic transmission. It left the fabric with aux. heater and bluetooh.
I've removed the aux. heater and bluetooh inc. wiring from the car. Now I'm going to assemble the car again.

The most bus is for audio etc. It's separate from the bus where elz etc. is. The car has stock audio.
I've already tested it with Inpa and ignition is missing.

Putting it back again is really not an option. Too many wires and work.

What I would like to know is how alle protocols (k-can etc.) of the car work.

Let me know if something is still unclear.

Edit:
I've just find some info. I'll have a look at it.

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It left the fabric with aux. heater and bluetooh.

It left the fabric with aux. heater and bluetooh.
This statement makes no sense at all .
And you still didn't say which audio system you have or
why you are taking this stuff out?

Also you might try bmwcoders.com

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      08-04-2014, 03:36 AM   #5
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It left the fabric with aux. heater and bluetooh.
This statement makes no sense at all .
Well actually it does. You order a new car and add a couple of options to the car then your car is delivered with those options.

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And you still didn't say which audio system you have
Stock audio which means no l7, harman kardonn, hifi or individual. Just 2 speakers under the front seat and speakers on the door boards.

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why you are taking this stuff out?
I'm going to install this in another car.

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Also you might try bmwcoders.com
Ok.
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      08-04-2014, 11:07 AM   #6
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fabric is a piece of cloth in the US

fabric is a piece of cloth or clothing material in the US.
factory is the place where it is was made.

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      08-04-2014, 02:24 PM   #7
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Then factory it should be
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