AMS testdrives an MT M4

[FogCityM3]

Waiting with baited breath for the TUV certificate showing 3,300 lb curb weight....

Originally Posted by Boss330

A 3555lbs car (1615kg as weighed by Sport Auto) that does 118MPH trap speed is right around 468hp.

Surprisingly close to the Sport Auto dyno numbers...

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

Waiting with baited breath for the TUV certificate showing 3,300 lb curb weight....

As soon as I get access to type approval documents I will post the numbers

[ersin]

Originally Posted by ChesterM4

0-100mph 4.2 for the 6MT hopefull for 0.2-0.3 of that for DCT at least.

You mean 0-100kph. How I wish it were 4.2 0-100mph.


Cheers.

[AreOut]

Originally Posted by Just_me

But the numbers are identical, it's not a coincidence. Either it was measured with manual or dct. But they sure use the same numbers for both magazines.

not the same but similar, professional drivers can shift very quick and 30 kg less is not such a small difference sometimes, also driver of the MT car could be 10-20 kg lighter and there you go

[F82_SID]

What happened to the link?

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

Waiting with baited breath for the TUV certificate showing 3,300 lb curb weight....

The EU type approval number for the M3/M4 is:

e1*2007/46*0377*06

and

e1*2007/46*0377*07

These are the minimum weights listed in the type approval specs:

M3 DCT - 1560kg
M3 6MT - 1520kg

M4 DCT - 1537kg
M4 6MT - 1497kg

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

Yes ... AMS and SPORTAUTO are sister magazines and share many car journalists, but these test is about an different car than in the "Supertest" ... SB MT M4 vs. YMB DCT M4 and AMS quotes:

Can you confirm that the SportAuto Supertest is done with a DCT? I could not find it in the excerpts of the article.

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Not identical, but very close.

I have been suspecting that DCT will not have much advantage over 6MT on the F8X. See here.

I am eager for more data points.

To be fair, that link was from back in February when specifications were still trickling in. I am a 6-MT guy, but from most of the reviews I have read, the DCT is a far superior transmission. Not from a fun perspective (we all know whats more fun) but from a track day/speed perspective. I do feel a little strange ordering a car with so much tech and leaving out arguably the most high tech part of the vehicle. If I get the 6-MT, I probably wont regret skipping out of the DCT. If I get the DCT, there will be days I know Ill miss the 6-MT. That was the deciding factor for me.

[ersin]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

To be fair, that link was from back in February when specifications were still trickling in. I am a 6-MT guy, but from most of the reviews I have read, the DCT is a far superior transmission. Not from a fun perspective (we all know whats more fun) but from a track day/speed perspective. I do feel a little strange ordering a car with so much tech and leaving out arguably the most high tech part of the vehicle. If I get the 6-MT, I probably wont regret skipping out of the DCT. If I get the DCT, there will be days I know Ill miss the 6-MT. That was the deciding factor for me.

Don't forget: the 6MT is much lighter than the DCT too.


Cheers.

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by ersin

Don't forget: the 6MT is much lighter than the DCT too.


Cheers.

You dont have to talk me into it, my order is placed and cannot be changed at this point. Its lighter, more fun, and the few reviewers that have driven it say its one of the best manuals BMW ever sold.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

To be fair, that link was from back in February when specifications were still trickling in.

Note that I started that thread after BMW published their official specs. There are no speculations as far as the specs go.

I still have a few weeks to make my final decision, I am eager for more data.

[Damasconian]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Note that I started that thread after BMW published their official specs. There are no speculations as far as the specs go.

It was very impressive and helped me decide what transmission to go with. Thank You. What I should have said was the thread was started before the reviews started coming. Reading specs and driving them are different animals. It takes nothing away from your detailed thoughts, they were extremely helpful to me. Id like to read what you have to say after driving both.

[grant]

Originally Posted by Txipi84

First review that says turbo lag exists..... i dont believe it

There is no such thing as a turbocharged car without any lag.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Damasconian

It was very impressive and helped me decide what transmission to go with. Thank You. What I should have said was the thread was started before the reviews started coming. Reading specs and driving them are different animals. It takes nothing away from your detailed thoughts, they were extremely helpful to me. Id like to read what you have to say after driving both.

Glad to know my ranting and babbling was useful .

[FogCityM3]

Don't understand, what is "minimum weight" and why are the new models weighed thus far not even close to these numbers, even with weight saving CC brakes? Is the E9x TUV certificate available?

Originally Posted by Boss330

The EU type approval number for the M3/M4 is:

e1*2007/46*0377*06

and

e1*2007/46*0377*07

These are the minimum weights listed in the type approval specs:

M3 DCT - 1560kg
M3 6MT - 1520kg

M4 DCT - 1537kg
M4 6MT - 1497kg

[Zero4910]

Originally Posted by //M sa

Cloth seats and he complains about interior? What a douch

+1

My thoughts exactly when I read that...if you aren't going to do the interior right, then don't complain when it isn't what you wanted. The reviewer should seat himself in an extended full leather M3/4 before passing judgement on the interior.

[BMW M3 CRT]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Can you confirm that the SportAuto Supertest is done with a DCT? I could not find it in the excerpts of the article.

Now, I have the print issue of the new SPORTAUTO in my hands !

First the SPORTAUTO YMB M4 was indeed equipped with M-DCT and they wrote that both M4s their´s with M-DCT and the AMS example with MT reached the same 0-100km/h time of 4.2s !

Interesting point in this article is further that they claimed that their E92M3 with MT (older test) was weighted with 1.608kg, were the AMS M4 with MT weights 1.595kg, this means an weight-loss of only 13kg !!!
And I am sure they are using the same weighting method / rules.

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

Interesting point in this article is further that they claimed that their E92M3 with MT (older test) was weighted with 1.608kg, were the AMS M4 with MT weights 1.595kg, this means an weight-loss of only 13kg !!!
And I am sure they are using the same weighting method / rules.

Never take carmakers claim about weight nor fuel consumption. Bunch of liars most of them. But at least the weight is less than the old one which is better than the opposite.

yes its DCT, there are photos showing it.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

Don't understand, what is "minimum weight" and why are the new models weighed thus far not even close to these numbers, even with weight saving CC brakes? Is the E9x TUV certificate available?

My theory is that this DIN weight is the weight without any "options". The trick is that different combinations of the so called "options" are "no cost mandatory options" depending on the country where the car is ordered. So it might not be possible to spec out this minimum weight M4 anywhere in the world.

See this post for the list of "options" I was able to identify

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

Now, I have the print issue of the new SPORTAUTO in my hands !

First the SPORTAUTO YMB M4 was indeed equipped with M-DCT and they wrote that both M4s their´s with M-DCT and the AMS example with MT reached the same 0-100km/h time of 4.2s !

Interesting point in this article is further that they claimed that their E92M3 with MT (older test) was weighted with 1.608kg, were the AMS M4 with MT weights 1.595kg, this means an weight-loss of only 13kg !!!
And I am sure they are using the same weighting method / rules.

Thanks for the confirmation. Someone also posted an excerpt of the article here.

4.2 seconds to 100km/h seems to be a constant thus far. All 3 magazines plus UAE247 all are at 4.2s to 100km/h. Three DCT and one 6MT.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

Don't understand, what is "minimum weight" and why are the new models weighed thus far not even close to these numbers, even with weight saving CC brakes? Is the E9x TUV certificate available?

Minimum weight is the weight of the most basic version of the car. As pointed out by others, options such as sunroof (usually adding weight), AC, power seats etc. is not included in the minimum weight.

As CanAut mentioned, it might not be possible to actually order a car that is as basic as the minimum weight spec...

The E9x type approval number is:

e1*2007/46*0377*01 (and extension numbers *02, *03, *04, *05)

These are the minimum weights listed in the type approval specs:

E92 M3 DCT - 1600kg
E92 M3 6MT - 1580kg

E90 M3 DCT - 1625kg
E90 M3 6MT - 1605kg

[FogCityM3]

Thx..have been looking for the E9x info for a long time!

Originally Posted by Boss330

Minimum weight is the weight of the most basic version of the car. As pointed out by others, options such as sunroof (usually adding weight), AC, power seats etc. is not included in the minimum weight.

As CanAut mentioned, it might not be possible to actually order a car that is as basic as the minimum weight spec...

The E9x type approval number is:

e1*2007/46*0377*01 (and extension numbers *02, *03, *04, *05)

These are the minimum weights listed in the type approval specs:

E92 M3 DCT - 1600kg
E92 M3 6MT - 1580kg

E90 M3 DCT - 1625kg
E90 M3 6MT - 1605kg