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That is awful looking. The sides look like a Civic, and the rear....so terrible. An the ugly rears is not just limited to the GC, but the new BMWs in general....
Have you seen one in the metal?

This ain't no Civic. You wish a new Civic would look this well finished and put together for starters...

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It's a FWD BMW - shouldn't exist.

The 2er coupe and convertible should will be RWD, right?
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Such a missed opportunity by BMW. I expected much better.

BMW's driving dynamics have gone down their list of priorities over the past decade, however BMW has still been nailing everything else in their products. Overall their vehicles are amongst the best on the market. They could have done much better on this car, I know they are capable.
Disagree.

BMW has left the 1990s behind and has entered a competitive market segment (A Class, A3) were they previously had no competitor. If MB manufactures FWD cars (Which they have done for 20 years) it is fine for BMW to follow suit.

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Tell that to fans of the 1 series
The old 1 series? The small and ugly little frumpy RWD coupe sold here from 2008 to 2013?

That car had a horrendous front end. We never got any updated 1 series after that E89.
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How can they compete with the new A3 and CLA? Did they hire kia and hyundai designers to do this?
I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
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I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
Not sure about that but I see your point about the hype. That said, they have come a LONG way.
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For all the people complaining about the FWD architecture of the F40/F44, I want to remind you about the target group of this vehicle: It is not you. It is not the person searching for the best performance car, the best drivers car. It is the group of young people, having a bit of money to spare, searching for a luxury car, that don't want to get their 7th civic, but want to experience a bit of change, higher quality and better user experience. And as always, a big company doesn't care about you, your feelings or your opininon (especially if you are not anywhere close to the target group of the product), literally the only reason why a company like BMW exists is $$$.

I think they did a great job to cater to those people, the car drives really good even tho it is FWD (of course nothing like a real RWD, but that's not the point), the interior is the best one in the market, not even the new A3 can compete against it.

Going FWD was the best decision for the F40/F44: Buyers of those cars (which is probably not you! Chances are high, you are searching for a RWD sportscar, if you are on this forum) don't care about driving dynamics, it's driving much better than a civic, so they are satisfied. People want a car with a lot of space, relatively cheap (compared to a higher series) premium car. Like 80% of all F20/F21 had the 16/18i engine, a 1.5l 3-cylinder with 116PS/134PS. I'd argue you can't even feel the difference between FWD and RWD with that low power.

I don't know why people are so blind and only care about their own opinion. I had this exact discussion in the M3 thread why BMW went with a converter auto and not a DCT. Yes, you want the DCT for better track use (or a RWD 1 series that isn't even sold in the US), but the truth is, you are not the target group. You wouldnt have bought the 1 series regardless of it having RWD or FWD.

I guess 90% of the buyers won't even care if their 3-series was FWD (Audi does sell quite a few of their cars even though they are FWD or have that fake quattro (Offtopic, but FYI even the A6 doesn't use torsen anymore)). You can start screaming once BMW changes the M3/M4 to FWD based, then they failed to cater the target group, unless it changes in the mean time.
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How can they compete with the new A3 and CLA? Did they hire kia and hyundai designers to do this?
I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
Not sure about that but to see your point about the hype. That said, they have come a LONG way.
Disposable cars whose primary customer base are mostly sub-prime borrowers. People that can't possibly get a can of Coke financed flock to those brands and the experience that comes with it.
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How can they compete with the new A3 and CLA? Did they hire kia and hyundai designers to do this?
I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
Not sure about that but to see your point about the hype. That said, they have come a LONG way.
Disposable cars whose primary customer base are mostly sub-prime borrowers. People that can't possibly get a can of Coke financed flock to those brands and the experience that comes with it.
Sure. They're disposable and a big part of that is their perception of being generic, at least their previous models. Then again, this new BMW fits that perception very well. This is not BMWs finest effort... and their reliability is not helping. Now, I love BMWs but there's no escaping their current way of doing business and how their reliability isn't what it once was. Hell, 50-77% of their vehicles are leased depending on the source/survey. That could be due to being cheaper upfront and monthly, reliability (how often have you heard that BMWs are cars to be leased, not bought), or just personal preference of the buyer.

Look, my point isn't that BMWs are bad but that Kia/Hyundai have learned fast and have taken steps to emulate the German brands very well. Add that to a better reliability perception, and you have a growing problem. BMW is falling asleep at the wheel.
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How can they compete with the new A3 and CLA? Did they hire kia and hyundai designers to do this?
I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
Not sure about that but to see your point about the hype. That said, they have come a LONG way.
Disposable cars whose primary customer base are mostly sub-prime borrowers. People that can't possibly get a can of Coke financed flock to those brands and the experience that comes with it.
Sure. They're disposable and a big part of that is their perception of being generic, at least their previous models. Then again, this new BMW fits that perception very well. This is not BMWs finest effort... and their reliability is not helping. Now, I love BMWs but there's no escaping their current way of doing business and how their reliability isn't what it once was. Hell, 50-77% of their vehicles are leased depending on the source/survey. That could be due to being cheaper upfront and monthly, reliability (how often have you heard that BMWs are cars to be leased, not bought), or just personal preference of the buyer.

Look, my point isn't that BMWs are bad but that Kia/Hyundai have learned fast and have taken steps to emulate the German brands very well. Add that to a better reliability perception, and you have a growing problem. BMW is falling asleep at the wheel.
I see your points and agree with most of them.

However, BMW is making what the market wants and to that end they are doing quite well for themselves. Would this be my default choice, no but it has its place and helps to pay the bills to keep the operation going and found the development of the BMWs you and I are more willing to buy.

To me the reliability of E-Chassis BMW products from the mid to late 1990s until the early 2010s was in a definite state of decay. I believe newer products are turning the corner for the better but time will tell.

Now on the subject of Korean cars... They are built to a price point and corners are cut where the customer's eyes can't see or the fingertips can't feel/reach. And this includes Genesis. There is no free lunch.You simply get what you pay for. If you like their value proposition, be my guest. You'll see me driving a Toyoduh or Honduh before you catch me in a Hyundai or Kia product. Just not for me.

They poached Ze Germans because on their own they can't build a decent car if their lives depended on it. They are just facsimiles of German cars, no originality in my book.
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How can they compete with the new A3 and CLA? Did they hire kia and hyundai designers to do this?
I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
Not sure about that but to see your point about the hype. That said, they have come a LONG way.
Disposable cars whose primary customer base are mostly sub-prime borrowers. People that can't possibly get a can of Coke financed flock to those brands and the experience that comes with it.
Sure. They're disposable and a big part of that is their perception of being generic, at least their previous models. Then again, this new BMW fits that perception very well. This is not BMWs finest effort... and their reliability is not helping. Now, I love BMWs but there's no escaping their current way of doing business and how their reliability isn't what it once was. Hell, 50-77% of their vehicles are leased depending on the source/survey. That could be due to being cheaper upfront and monthly, reliability (how often have you heard that BMWs are cars to be leased, not bought), or just personal preference of the buyer.

Look, my point isn't that BMWs are bad but that Kia/Hyundai have learned fast and have taken steps to emulate the German brands very well. Add that to a better reliability perception, and you have a growing problem. BMW is falling asleep at the wheel.
I see your points and agree with most of them.

However, BMW is making what the market wants and to that end they are doing quite well for themselves. Would this be my default choice, no but it has its place and helps to pay the bills to keep the operation going and found the development of the BMWs you and I are more willing to buy.

To me the reliability of E-Chassis BMW products from the mid to late 1990s until the early 2010s was in a definite state of decay. I believe newer products are turning the corner for the better but time will tell.

Now on the subject of Korean cars... They are built to a price point and corners are cut where the customer's eyes can't see or the fingertips can't feel/reach. And this includes Genesis. There is no free lunch.You simply get what you pay for. If you like their value proposition, be my guest. You'll see me driving a Toyoduh or Honduh before you catch me in a Hyundai or Kia product. Just not for me.

They poached Ze Germans because on their own they can't build a decent car if their lives depended on it. They are just facsimiles of German cars, no originality in my book.
Nicely put, I agree. I do love our discussions, we just can't argue in front of the children.

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That is awful looking. The sides look like a Civic, and the rear....so terrible. An the ugly rears is not just limited to the GC, but the new BMWs in general....
Have you seen one in the metal?

This ain't no Civic. You wish a new Civic would look this well finished and put together for starters...

Haterz gonna hate.
I saw one in metal. Hideous design. Pontiac Aztec of BMWs.
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I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
Kia has made strides in the last couple of years. The new models are kicking ass. Not a BMW competitor of course - but more than holding their own in the segment they compete in.
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How can they compete with the new A3 and CLA? Did they hire kia and hyundai designers to do this?
I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
Not sure about that but to see your point about the hype. That said, they have come a LONG way.
Disposable cars whose primary customer base are mostly sub-prime borrowers. People that can't possibly get a can of Coke financed flock to those brands and the experience that comes with it.
Wow your condescension is unbelievable. You do know that people with lesser means than BMW owners appreciate nice cars??? And some of the recent Kias are well designed, well made cars?
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How can they compete with the new A3 and CLA? Did they hire kia and hyundai designers to do this?
I wish. Have you seen recent Kias?
They are awesome. Absolutely great looking and from what I'm hearing, fun to drive too!
Oh sure Kias. The most loved and overhyped cars in the Internet.
Not sure about that but to see your point about the hype. That said, they have come a LONG way.
Disposable cars whose primary customer base are mostly sub-prime borrowers. People that can't possibly get a can of Coke financed flock to those brands and the experience that comes with it.
Sure. They're disposable and a big part of that is their perception of being generic, at least their previous models. Then again, this new BMW fits that perception very well. This is not BMWs finest effort... and their reliability is not helping. Now, I love BMWs but there's no escaping their current way of doing business and how their reliability isn't what it once was. Hell, 50-77% of their vehicles are leased depending on the source/survey. That could be due to being cheaper upfront and monthly, reliability (how often have you heard that BMWs are cars to be leased, not bought), or just personal preference of the buyer.

Look, my point isn't that BMWs are bad but that Kia/Hyundai have learned fast and have taken steps to emulate the German brands very well. Add that to a better reliability perception, and you have a growing problem. BMW is falling asleep at the wheel.
I see your points and agree with most of them.

However, BMW is making what the market wants and to that end they are doing quite well for themselves. Would this be my default choice, no but it has its place and helps to pay the bills to keep the operation going and found the development of the BMWs you and I are more willing to buy.

To me the reliability of E-Chassis BMW products from the mid to late 1990s until the early 2010s was in a definite state of decay. I believe newer products are turning the corner for the better but time will tell.

Now on the subject of Korean cars... They are built to a price point and corners are cut where the customer's eyes can't see or the fingertips can't feel/reach. And this includes Genesis. There is no free lunch.You simply get what you pay for. If you like their value proposition, be my guest. You'll see me driving a Toyoduh or Honduh before you catch me in a Hyundai or Kia product. Just not for me.

They poached Ze Germans because on their own they can't build a decent car if their lives depended on it. They are just facsimiles of German cars, no originality in my book.
Korean and Japanese cars are built to compete in their segment, and some do an excellent job. They don't compete with BMW. And it's great they have poached designers from the Germans, which bodes well for every car buyer.

BMW with the 2GC has delivered an ugly duckling, and most buyers will be badge whores who dint really care about the car, but the brand.
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Disagree.

BMW has left the 1990s behind and has entered a competitive market segment (A Class, A3) were they previously had no competitor. If MB manufactures FWD cars (Which they have done for 20 years) it is fine for BMW to follow suit.

The mere existence of these vehicles do not take away from
Your precious AWD/RWD Bimmers.
I never commented on FWD. The problem is that the product looks like shit next to its competitors.

Nobody cares if its faster than the E90 335 when it looks like a Ford Focus and it's driving dynamics are mediocre in comparison.

We can agree to disagree. I understand the business case for this car but am displeased with the execution. The ends don't justify the means in my mind. The press has been lukewarm to outright negative about this car for good reason, although that won't matter when it comes to sales.
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Disagree.

BMW has left the 1990s behind and has entered a competitive market segment (A Class, A3) were they previously had no competitor. If MB manufactures FWD cars (Which they have done for 20 years) it is fine for BMW to follow suit.

The mere existence of these vehicles do not take away from
Your precious AWD/RWD Bimmers.
I never commented on FWD. The problem is that the product looks like shit next to its competitors.

Nobody cares if its faster than the E90 335 when it looks like a Ford Focus and it's driving dynamics are mediocre in comparison.

We can agree to disagree. I understand the business case for this car but am displeased with the execution. The ends don't justify the means in my mind. The press has been lukewarm to outright negative about this car for good reason, although that won't matter when it comes to sales.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Sales stats will ultimately vindicate their design/product decision or not.
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Why is it on here whenever any kind of video or post arrives it very quickly inundated with hateful garbage? I mean its almost as if the commenters feel threatened in some way by this car. As if all of sudden bmw is going to get rid of rwd cars...that they will make m cars fwd biased etc? The same mentality took hold when the supra was released. The Toyota fans went awol that bmw was involved in anyway. And all the comments are against the looks and not the content or other aspects..not one has test driven one. This is but a tiny sliver of bmw group overall products. There is something for everyone.
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