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      09-26-2017, 11:28 PM   #111
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Actually, it is different. There is a reason why there is no M4 Gran Coupe. Because it would take away from the M3 sedan. Just like there is no current 2 series Gran Coupe and M2 Gran Coupe. The 2 series Gran Coupe would steal sales from the 3 series sedan, and so would the M2 Gran Coupe. An M2 Gran Coupe would be akin to the e46 M3 sedan that they never built. I do think that BMW thought, rightfully so, that the 6 series GC and M6 GC would not steal sales from the 5 and the M5, because those are two different customers who would looking to buy a 6 GC/M6 GC and the 5/M5.

The 3 series is BMW bread and butter, and they will NOT have another car, especially one that is lower on the totem pole, to upstage it. Nor would they have the more attractive 4 GC be made into a M4 GC and steal sales from the legendary named M3
Based on the number of A3-S3 and A4-S4 in my neighborhood .... Audi is eating a lot of BMW "bread and butter"
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M35i = UKL (AWD), transverse B48 I4, ~300hp+
I think there is an great chance that BMW don't bring the new M.35i UKL Cars with less hp as the old M135i/M235i ... 326PS from an good 2.0ltr.I4 is today no real hightech anymore!

Also 340PS like the M140i/M240i seems possible, if the new UKL M135i should not have less hp than its predecessor, because this would be bad marketing for the change to UKL and from I6 to I4.

I think 300hp is simply the number for an possible new G20 335i as top non-M-model of the coming new 3er Series!?

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      09-27-2017, 06:11 AM   #113
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He just said M car won't be powered by 4 cyl engine only. I also remember that he said it's possible for them to consider hybrid on M car. I'm curious why he even mention about it.
Sure, hybrids will come eventually - they’ve been saying that for years just like anyone else who knows how to play the game. But he also said the time isn’t right yet because the tech hasn’t progressed to the point where it will work for their needs. It’s not happening this generation.

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I cannot believe BMW will have 2 separate chassis for 2 series since 2 series sales is not that huge for BMW. is it? Maybe next gen 2er coupe won't get big chassis update. Then it makes sense since the updated chassis won't cost them much.
It’s not just about the number of sales but about a strategic product mix that appeals to the range of customers BMW relies on to support the brand long term.

As far as the chassis goes, indications are it will be CLAR, or at the very least relate closely to the G2x 4 Series (thank you ynguldyn) which will be on CLAR. CLAR will underpin every other RWD BMW and this consolidation actually saves BMW money. It is just as likely that using an updated version of the existing platform would increase costs as it is that it would decrease them. Probably more so, in fact.

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Maybe mustang, camaro. GM may even get the ATS right one of these days.
Sure, those are great products, but those are not 2 Series sized. The pony cars in particular are all bigger than a 4 Series, nevermind a 2 Series. The ATS is going away, but there will be a CT5, a CT4, and possibly even a CT3. The latter are actually potential alternatives, particularly if they remain RWD. It’s not known yet whether they will, however.
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      09-27-2017, 07:51 AM   #114
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No - I have a deposit down so I'm first in line for M2 GC and 240 (or whatever) GC if / when they are available.
Why not go all in with a hefty deposit for the 2020 Z8 with the naturally aspirated 4L V10 and I think it has carbon fiber windows and tires with unicorn skin seats?

I’m kidding - I’m not quite that big of an a-hole.

But on a serious note, if you are down with the 300hp-ish B48-powered M235i xDrive GC, good on you for securing the first spot at your dealership. Otherwise, you are going to be asking for that deposit back come 2019 when the vehicle is revealed.
Beauty of a REFUNDABLE deposit. Tying up $500 a year ago was a good investment in the call option should they make something I want, especially considering I have "MSRP or better" in writing.
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      09-27-2017, 07:54 AM   #115
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Except for the 6 series, the grand coupes are hideous.
You mean the 4GC is hideous. Or are there others?
Yes, 3 series gran turismo and the 5 series as well. The 4 door hatchback look is just awful.
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      09-27-2017, 09:05 AM   #116
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I think there is an great chance that BMW don't bring the new M.35i UKL Cars with less hp as the old M135i/M235i ... 326PS from an good 2.0ltr.I4 is today no real hightech anymore!

Also 340PS like the M140i/M240i seems possible, if the new UKL M135i should not have less hp than its predecessor, because this would be bad marketing for the change to UKL and from I6 to I4.
I think 340hp is a bit optimistic, but perhaps 326hp isn't beyond the realm of possibility, sure. Whatever the power output might be, with AWD standard and a lighter I4 (compared to the I6), I suspect they will find a way to match or at least come very close to the acceleration numbers of the outgoing RWD M140i model.
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FWD LMAO. good thing I bought my M2 this year.
Hey if you would have waited a year you could have gotten one with the S55 engine in it...

But seriously, I see yours is Atlantis Blue, so you were able to put in an Individual order? please share some details, I may be interested in something similar next year...
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      09-27-2017, 09:44 AM   #118
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The 2er Gran Coupe/M Perfomance will be FWD based with xDrive available.
The next generation of 2er Coupe,Cabrio and M2 will be RWD based with xDrive on some models.
Scott, you're not saying the M2 is going to get xDrive, are you...?!?

Because otherwise, your comment about the drivetrain of the next gen 2er means the drivetrain from the current gen 2er is unchanged, as both the coupe and cabrio are RWD with xDrive availability.

So, y'know, you've gotten me curious...
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      09-27-2017, 10:17 AM   #119
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Those brakes are huge, or it just must be the usual BMW 15" wheels...
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      09-27-2017, 11:24 AM   #120
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Yes, 3 series gran turismo and the 5 series as well. The 4 door hatchback look is just awful.
The question was about 4GC, not 3GT or 5GT.
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      09-27-2017, 11:52 AM   #121
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Yes, 3 series gran turismo and the 5 series as well. The 4 door hatchback look is just awful.
The question was about 4GC, not 3GT or 5GT.
Yep, the 4 series as well. Granted this is just my personal opinion.
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      09-27-2017, 04:49 PM   #122
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FWD 2er GC? No thanks. BMW = RWD, or M-AWD.
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Scott, you're not saying the M2 is going to get xDrive, are you...?!?

Because otherwise, your comment about the drivetrain of the next gen 2er means the drivetrain from the current gen 2er is unchanged, as both the coupe and cabrio are RWD with xDrive availability.

So, y'know, you've gotten me curious...
It is far too early to discuss the drivetrain for the next generation of M2. However I would take a likely guess is that because current M2 is perfect enough with RWD as it does what it expects to do.
What would AWD bring other than more weight and enhanced grip?

I think hypothetically that they will not include the M2 with xDrive but I believe it is possible again hypothetically the M3/M4 will feature M xDrive.

The M5 does well with its switchable M xDrive again it's an AWD system developed completely on BMW M's terms. Imagine what it could do for the M3/M4?
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I'm unsure if people are being sarcastic in their enthusiasm for another mini pretending to be a BMW?

4 doors on a m240i would be fine but this is a joke
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find an E46 ZHP and put in an S54 and a decent suspension.
Ya - I'm thinking of an S54 swap in my E46.
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Hey if you would have waited a year you could have gotten one with the S55 engine in it...

But seriously, I see yours is Atlantis Blue, so you were able to put in an Individual order? please share some details, I may be interested in something similar next year...
Why don't I wait for an iPhone 20 in 10 years instead of having a phone now?

Seriously, I bought my M2 fully knowing that there is a S55 M2 coming out soon. Rumors are S55 M2 is very limited. Also I'm guessing $10k+ increase in invoice for one. Plus there is a very possible dealership mark up of $10 to even $20k. So we are looking at a limited small BMW sports coupe that's OTD $75k+.. or $90k. No thanks. Current normal M2 is honestly more than enough to be called "best M car BMW has made in the last 10 years". This car really is a lot better than what I expected and I do not need more of an M2 nor do I wish to pay more than what I paid for a car in this segment.

I wrapped it myself and 3M happens to have "Atlantis Blue" in their pallet while I was searching for a color for the wrap. I was about to order an individual M3 in Atlantis Blue until I randomly found an allocation for an M2.
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Actually, it is different. There is a reason why there is no M4 Gran Coupe. Because it would take away from the M3 sedan. Just like there is no current 2 series Gran Coupe and M2 Gran Coupe. The 2 series Gran Coupe would steal sales from the 3 series sedan, and so would the M2 Gran Coupe. An M2 Gran Coupe would be akin to the e46 M3 sedan that they never built. I do think that BMW thought, rightfully so, that the 6 series GC and M6 GC would not steal sales from the 5 and the M5, because those are two different customers who would looking to buy a 6 GC/M6 GC and the 5/M5.

The 3 series is BMW bread and butter, and they will NOT have another car, especially one that is lower on the totem pole, to upstage it. Nor would they have the more attractive 4 GC be made into a M4 GC and steal sales from the legendary named M3
Based on the number of A3-S3 and A4-S4 in my neighborhood .... Audi is eating a lot of BMW "bread and butter"
LOL. SO TRUE.

Audi takes TWO bites of the Apple with an A3 lineup and A4 lineup

Mercedes takes TWO bites of the Apple ( the small sedan market ) with CLA lineup and the C class lineup.


BMW takes one bite of the Apple and splits the bite into the 3 and 4 series. in an attempt to hold onto a sales crown

Mercedes passes BMW for said crown.
Lexus passes BMW ?


" We don't want to cannibalize sales from our bread and butter models ... " yet opponents are taking multiple shots ! pretty stupid plan BMW.

4-7 years tooo late .. a 2 series sedan breaks cover.
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LOL. SO TRUE.

Audi takes TWO bites of the Apple with an A3 lineup and A4 lineup

Mercedes takes TWO bites of the Apple ( the small sedan market ) with CLA lineup and the C class lineup.
Between the Audi A3/S3 and the CLA, they sold about 58k small 4 door sedans in the US in 2016. You could argue that the number is dropping a bit YoY, but it's still a solid feeder market for BMW that appeals to its performance roots as well as a younger crowd that doesn't want a huge car, but might want 4 doors.

Still, BMW pays lots of smart people to run the numbers and I suppose that the "truckfication" of the US is going to continue.

Does this mean we will be tearing up sections of track to create rallycross facilities for DE events?
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Still, BMW pays lots of smart people to run the numbers and I suppose that the "truckfication" of the US is going to continue.
SUV and other light truck sales growth in the US will probably continue, yes, but its not time to write off the passenger car yet. It's good to see BMW finally acknowledging this by readying the 2 GC, even if they are very late to the party.

Some predict a passenger car resurgence as electrified powertrains start to erode the light truck CAFE advantage. Not to mention, a passenger car is typically lighter than a truck with an equivalent footprint, and lighter weight means greater electric range. If you look ahead to the automated EV future, it is possible that what we know today as the SUV starts to look more like a wagon or hatchback passenger car. Not such a farfetched possibility when you compare a 1992 Ford Explorer to today's model. Sure, its still a truck, but its very far removed from its Ford Ranger roots. One future evolutionary step could be to get rid of the mostly superfluous truck-like form factor and chassis componentry.
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