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      02-09-2020, 01:52 PM   #23
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I wonder how all the critics, who have zero design knowledge, would fair designing any vehicle, much less this one. So easy to critique
Good thing we don't design vehicles and instead expect the best designers on earth to do that job.
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I canít predict future but I feel this wonít sell good
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The first videos of the M235i GC have come around and this one includes exhaust sound at about 1:20. Doesn't actually sound bad at all.

i donít hate it but i def donít like that front grille. Whoever gets this should just swap it for whatever IND provided.

IND will be rich if this moves units
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I wonder how all the critics, who have zero design knowledge, would fair designing any vehicle, much less this one. So easy to critique
Give me a pencil and a paper and I will show you, not a problem.
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The biggest competitor for this car is going to be in the very same showroom - a CPO 340 sedan. As fast, or faster, likely cheaper and with say 15k miles, you're still getting a new car.

Can't see the logic there. Wait till this thing is your loaner car...
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The biggest competitor for this car is going to be in the very same showroom - a CPO 340 sedan. As fast, or faster, likely cheaper and with say 15k miles, you're still getting a new car.

Can't see the logic there. Wait till this thing is your loaner car...
I doubt it. The majority of these will be first time BMW owners, most likely younger, looking for newer tech, and looking to lease.
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The biggest competitor for this car is going to be in the very same showroom - a CPO 340 sedan. As fast, or faster, likely cheaper and with say 15k miles, you're still getting a new car.

Can't see the logic there. Wait till this thing is your loaner car...
CLA is the competitor
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i donít hate it but i def donít like that front grille. Whoever gets this should just swap it for whatever IND provided.

IND will be rich if this moves units
If you donít like that grille I can imagine what you will think of the one on the upcoming 4 series.
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I must disagree with you.
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For those that don't like the styling, you're obviously not the target audience. So good news, you don't have to buy it!


Amen! Thank you
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The interior looks solid and the wheels look good imo. Wish usa got the hatchback because I don't feel this body.
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I wonder how all the critics, who have zero design knowledge, would fair designing any vehicle, much less this one. So easy to critique
Good thing we don't design vehicles and instead expect the best designers on earth to do that job.
BMW designers are the best? Who knew
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The biggest competitor for this car is going to be in the very same showroom - a CPO 340 sedan. As fast, or faster, likely cheaper and with say 15k miles, you're still getting a new car.

Can't see the logic there. Wait till this thing is your loaner car...
CLA is the competitor
Which also looks miles ahead better. Plus a full AMG variant.
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I wonder how all the critics, who have zero design knowledge, would fair designing any vehicle, much less this one. So easy to critique
Give me a pencil and a paper and I will show you, not a problem.
Lol ok. Although not sure why I need to supply you with pen & paper. No doubt you have access to those items. Feel free to whip something up and post it here. More specifically the vehicle we're "reviewing" - I'd love to see your sketches
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I wonder how all the critics, who have zero design knowledge, would fair designing any vehicle, much less this one. So easy to critique
It's certainly not required we can design better looking cars than the designers of BMW. It's their job, and they are paid millions to bring us attractive cars that do justice to the brand and its tradition.

It's our duty to discuss the cars they throw at us. That's why fora like this are ment for.
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I saw one yesterday as I placed a order for X3MC

And the only thing I like on this car is this
Agreed. For me the ever increasing light show is now getting too much. 7 series, 8 series are too much for me at night, I do admit they're configurable.

These have a nice 3D texture to them also as well as being much more subtle. Combining the trim and LEDs is the way forward I think for BMW but let's see. Not sure how it might work with CF for example and you can tone it down or make it white.
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The biggest competitor for this car is going to be in the very same showroom - a CPO 340 sedan. As fast, or faster, likely cheaper and with say 15k miles, you're still getting a new car.

Can't see the logic there. Wait till this thing is your loaner car...
It's not a true apples/apples comparison - if that were the case, we'd all be driving BMW executive demos and save $10,000 before program incentives and discounts and it would still be registered as a new car -forget about CPO.

All BMW's can overlap each other in price so with your argument, you're assuming that a prospective buyer for the M235i Gran Coupe even wants a M340i or even a 3 Series for that matter. Audi doesn't have a problem with the A3 and neither does Mercedes with the CLA - I don't see BMW having an issue with the 2er Gran Coupe.
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if you don't want an actual 2er (2 door coupe), why wouldn't you just buy the um, 3er?

i don't get it.
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if you don't want an actual 2er (2 door coupe), why wouldn't you just buy the um, 3er?

i don't get it.
Same could be said for the whole Gran Coupe range.

Seems providing infinite options is the way forward.
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The first videos of the M235i GC have come around and this one includes exhaust sound at about 1:20. Doesn't actually sound bad at all.

You're also in Calgary ?
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