[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

If you need $75 and 2 hours of charging time in the US for that you have no idea what you're doing or just spewing hyperbolic nonsense

OK I'll give you, that home charging is least expensive. MotorTrend article is pretty straight forward. If you need to use public charging or the distance exceeds your battery capacity it is a whole new ball game.

The Key Takeaway
Owning a Tesla can save you hundreds of dollars a year on fuel costs, but only if you're able to charge at home or find public plugs with free or subsidized electricity. The premium pricing at Superchargers and other public charging stations often makes driving an EV just as expensive as driving an efficient hybrid or gas car.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...harge-a-tesla/

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

OK I'll give you, that home charging is least expensive. MotorTrend article is pretty straight forward. If you need to use public charging or the distance exceeds your battery capacity it is a whole new ball game.

The Key Takeaway
Owning a Tesla can save you hundreds of dollars a year on fuel costs, but only if you're able to charge at home or find public plugs with free or subsidized electricity. The premium pricing at Superchargers and other public charging stations often makes driving an EV just as expensive as driving an efficient hybrid or gas car.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...harge-a-tesla/

My car came with 10,000 miles of free supercharger usage.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

OK I'll give you, that home charging is least expensive. MotorTrend article is pretty straight forward. If you need to use public charging or the distance exceeds your battery capacity it is a whole new ball game.

The Key Takeaway
Owning a Tesla can save you hundreds of dollars a year on fuel costs, but only if you're able to charge at home or find public plugs with free or subsidized electricity. The premium pricing at Superchargers and other public charging stations often makes driving an EV just as expensive as driving an efficient hybrid or gas car.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...harge-a-tesla/

yes, if you don't have home charging(which a majority of EV owners do) it can be as expensive as an efficient hybrid(but much faster, less maintenance and much more fun)

[Car-Addicted]

Tesla Quietly Downgrades Range Estimates on Multiple Models
1/5/2024
The move will likely bring the range estimates, which refers to the number of miles an electric vehicle can travel on a fully charged battery, closer to reality. The company has faced criticism in recent years that it unrealistically inflates the range on its vehicles.
On Tesla's website, the Model Y Long Range was quietly reduced from 330 to 310 miles; while the Model Y Performance was reduced from 303 miles to 285 miles. Though, the Model Y Rear-Wheel Drive, the most affordable model introduced to the U.S. in October, maintained a range estimate of 260 miles. Other than the range, there has been no change in pricing across any of the three models.
Additionally, an estimate for the Model X Plaid has dropped from 333 miles to 326, and the Model S Plaid configuration with 19-inch wheels has been updated to 359 miles from 396 miles
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...23d017c6b&ei=3

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

except it doesnt work like that in the US...don't be dooped by an anti-EV boob from another country who is most likely being paid by BP for these idiotic anti-ev videos.

Most modern day EV's wouldn't need to charge on a 200 mile trip if you left the house on a full charge and it would cost about $17-25 and about 30 min to get a 250 mile charge.
If you need $75 and 2 hours of charging time in the US for that you have no idea what you're doing or just spewing hyperbolic nonsense

I wish, and who you calling a boob.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Even if it was caused by the wire. I don't know how many 60+ years old houses, appartments and town houses in American. I know there are many many in Canada. Are they wired to today electric demand standard. I think we all know the answers

Good point.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I've been a proponent of the non-plug-in pure serial hybrid electric vehicle (PSHEV). 15kWh battery charged on board by a ICE specifically designed to power an electrical generator. With the engine not mechanically connected to the drive wheels, the engine can be made of lighter, higher temperature resistant materials such as ceramic and vastly improve the heat energy transfer for propulsion via the electric drive. The engine can then be tuned for maximum combustion efficiency within a very narrow powerband (RPM range). The Chevy Volt proved this architecture works and returned above 50 MPG in gas mode. The Volt used an off the self ICEV engine and was mechanically connected to the drive wheels though it mostly just provided electrical generation. Change the architecture to a specific engine design for electrical generation only And a far higher MPG rating can be achieved. Calculate in the energy loss of moving electrons from the generation site into the EV battery and I'd bet the total energy loss of PSHEV to be on par with current and future BEV.

Such an architecture is scaleable and multi-platform adaptable. Most importantly it does not disrupt the petrochemical industrial supply base and requires no electrical extensive grid enhancements to provide private and public charging of tens of millions of future BEV. An most importantly it requires zero investment in a non-economically-viable BEV public charging infrastructure network.

Yet, because climate fearers want to eliminate engine exhaust, the PSHEV technology will never be developed.

If any climate fearers who live in Northern part of Europe, Canada or Northern part of USA still keep their house temperature higher than 15C in the winter. None of them should talk about saving the earth. They are just hypocite. I keep my house at 10C or lower. Running the furnace only when I am taking the shower and have lunch. Total furnace run time in the middle of the winter is usually less than 1 hour per day. Anyone can match or beat that, then we can start talking saving the earth. Otherwise, shut the heck up.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Hardly a electric clothes dryer in the US or Canada doesn't have a 40 or 50 amp dedicate line. I'm sure any electrician worth their salt would make sure the service panel and circuit to the charger was compliant. A Level 2 charger installation will require a permit and inspection.

I think electrician will be the hottest career in the next 10 years.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by gblansten

My car came with 10,000 miles of free supercharger usage.

May I ask how much is your S Plaid? And how many mainstream ppl can afford it.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

May I ask how much is your S Plaid? And how many mainstream ppl can afford it.

The current price is always available on tesla.com. There are 4126 mainstream people who can afford the car and there are 1172 non-mainstream people.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I wish.

was referring to the YouTuber making the videos, not the person who keeps posting them....

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If any climate fearers who live in Northern part of Europe, Canada or Northern part of USA still keep their house temperature higher than 15C in the winter. None of them should talk about saving the earth. They are just hypocite. I keep my house at 10C or lower. Running the furnace only when I am taking the shower and have lunch. Total furnace run time in the middle of the winter is usually less than 1 hour per day. Anyone can match or beat that, then we can start talking saving the earth. Otherwise, shut the heck up.

you obviously live alone....if not I feel bad for the wife and kids


live feed of eugine posting away today

[eugenebmw]

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Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

you obviously live alone....if not I feel bad for the wife and kids


live feed of eugine posting away today

This is how me and my wife get away from aging. We save $$$$$$$$. I can fuel up my G82 and have tons of fun.

I have never claim I am doing anything to help the world because driving any car itself is not saving the earth anything. I believe anyone who claim they are helping the world should stop doing most thing and live as simple as possible. I am seeing no one on this forum is living as simple as a person can be.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

you obviously live alone....if not I feel bad for the wife and kids

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
— ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

[eugenebmw]

[QUOTE=Car-Addicted;30788641]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

you obviously live alone....if not I feel bad for the wife and kids /QUOTE]

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
— ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Hardly a electric clothes dryer in the US or Canada doesn't have a 40 or 50 amp dedicate line. I'm sure any electrician worth their salt would make sure the service panel and circuit to the charger was compliant. A Level 2 charger installation will require a permit and inspection.

The problem is : can the panel support charging the car while drying clothes. Panel calculations are a complex formula, you don't just add up all the breaker values and that's how much apms you have. Also, circuits that run constantly (like a charger) get de-rated 20%, where as your garbage disposal and Microwave do not. Some have resorted to plugging the charger into the dryer outlet so you have use of one or the other. My wife would kill me if I tried that idea.

Some panels can barely handle what is already in them. Just because they have an 50 amp oven and a 40 amp dryer doesn't mean there is room for another 40amp load that runs for 4-9 hours straight.

Putting in a bigger panel doesn't always work, some areas are limited by the power lines outside. This is like putting in bigger pipes in your house so you can take a better shower, now you run out of hot water twice as fast.

People that have EV's have crossed this bridge and solved this problem. Those that have not tried yet may find that they can't. Currently the ones that can't make it work become those that don't have EV's. When there's nothing left to buy, they are good and f'd.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

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This is how I and my wife get away from aging. We save $$$$$$$$. I can fuel up my G82 and have tons of fun.

I have never claim I am doing anything to help the world because driving any car itself is not saving the earth anything. I believe anyone who claim they are helping the world should stop doing most thing and live as simple as possible. I am seeing no one on this forum is living as simple as a person can be.

I can only say that I take that with a pinch of salt. Living in a house at 10C most of the winter time would age us twice as fast ..I mean come on, you're having a laugh.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I can only say that I take that with a pinch of salt. Living in a house at 10C most of the winter time would age us twice as fast ..I mean come on, you're having a laugh.

it would actually slow the aging process...he may be on to somehting


it's comical that someone would actually live like that so they can afford a BMW

[Car-Addicted]

Bob! Make up the fires, and buy another coal-scuttle before you dot another i.
Bob Cratchit

Empire Wind 2 project terminated as Equinor and BP seek a reset
Equinor and BP have decided to terminate the Empire Wind 2 project, citing inflation, interest rates, and supply chain disruptions. The Northeastern U.S. offshore project promised a potential generative capacity of 1,260 MW.
But the project was already on the chopping block after the New York State Public Service Commission denied petitions filed by a group of developers and a state renewable energy trade association seeking billions of dollars in additional funding from consumers for four proposed offshore wind projects and 86 land-based renewable projects.
https://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-seek-a-reset/

What, green energy is going to cost consumers more? Tell me it ain't so.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If any climate fearers who live in Northern part of Europe, Canada or Northern part of USA still keep their house temperature higher than 15C in the winter. None of them should talk about saving the earth. They are just hypocite. I keep my house at 10C or lower. Running the furnace only when I am taking the shower and have lunch. Total furnace run time in the middle of the winter is usually less than 1 hour per day. Anyone can match or beat that, then we can start talking saving the earth. Otherwise, shut the heck up.

Seriously, 10C is 50F. (I keep our house warmer than that when I'm away for the winter and the house is empty, when we're home I keep our house at 20C (68F). That is comfortable, we get winter so even if I did keep my house at 10C my furnace would be running several hours a day.

You live in Vancouver so really a whole other kettle of fish when you're discussing winter, hell it rarely goes below 0C (32F) in winter.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Just a walk over to the main motorway service area would have that sorted.

The Belgian government has ordered 92 'Electric BYD buses in China, and they can order 408 additional buses from BYD China.
The FKN idiots !

Meanwhile , in the Belgian bus factory Van Hool , 1500 workers are unemployed !

Source => https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240..._source=google

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If any climate fearers who live in Northern part of Europe, Canada or Northern part of USA still keep their house temperature higher than 15C in the winter. None of them should talk about saving the earth. They are just hypocrite. I keep my house at 10C or lower. Running the furnace only when I am taking the shower and have lunch. Total furnace run time in the middle of the winter is usually less than 1 hour per day. Anyone can match or beat that, then we can start talking saving the earth. Otherwise, shut the heck up.

We all can keep our dwelling at whatever temp we want/can afford. However, MANDATING 50 deg. F as max winter temperature for a dwelling unit temp, well you'd get some pushback on that number...