2009 M3 gets 500HP factory V10

[Davo2003]

Yes, alarming isn't it. Read this

http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news...mentid=6225540

I was burned by BMW when I bought my 2006 330i with the much talked about "better than ever" 255HP inline six, then the 300HP Twin Turbo comes out with dual exhaust ONE year later! So this is my prediction for the M3 unless someone can tell me why I am wrong. If the M5 gets bumped up to compete with the twin turbo Audi RS6, guess where the 500HP V-10 will more than likely end up, especially with the AMG on the horizon and the RS4 being neck and neck with the M3...

[swiss_cornholio]

Originally Posted by Davo2003

Yes, alarming isn't it. Read this

http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news...mentid=6225540

I was burned by BMW when I bought my 2006 330i with the much talked about "better than ever" 255HP inline six, then the 300HP Twin Turbo comes out with dual exhaust ONE year later! So this is my prediction for the M3 unless someone can tell me why I am wrong. If the M5 gets bumped up to compete with the twin turbo Audi RS6, guess where the 500HP V-10 will more than likely end up, especially with the AMG on the horizon and the RS4 being neck and neck with the M3...

That's not gonna happen:

1) BMW never upgrades two series at the same time.
2) BMW has never upgraded an M car.

[mkoesel]

Absolutely will not happen for the E92 M3.

You have to remember that the 255hp 3L version of the N52 engine from your 330i is still in use throughout the BMW lineup, and is even still used in the 3 series outside of North America. It also exists in many other versions, including the 230hp version in the 328i. It still gets heavy use despite its very short appearance in the US e90 for only a year and a half.

True, the new S65 V8 will still be used in the Z4, but not for a couple years since that car is about to get redesigned, and the M will trail that by at least a year if not more. And one could also imagine it in an M1, but again, that would be quite a few years off if it did happen, and that is pure speculation at this stage. Not likely for the E8x 1 series, which BTW is also an older platform due to get replaced in the next 3 years or so. In any case, BMW did not spend all the money on the engine to shelve it for a couple years.

It is conceivable that there will be a V10 powered M3 at some point in the future. It could happen next generation. But I personally think its probably at least two generations off. More than likely we'll see HPI V8 first, and possible even a turbo V8 at some point. Maybe if/when M builds a V12 for the M5 or M7, the M3 will get a V10. Again, this is all way off and all just in theory.

BTW, sorry you were "burned" by BMW, but all signs pointed to a turbo I6 in the 3 series from at least two years prior to the E90. Sure there were nay sayers, and timing of this new turbo I6 from BMW was not known. But people paying attention to the up and coming 300hp entry luxury sedans from Infiniti and Lexus would have put their money on the existence of a 300hp BMW. It needed to happen for them to remain competitive. Enjoy the 330i, its a great car.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by swiss_cornholio

2) BMW has never upgraded an M car.

What do you mean? Are you talking about the engine?

The E36 M3 was upgraded from the 3L S50B30 to the 3.2L S52B30 for example.

[Davo2003]

Thanks for the response. I did LOVE the 330i, put 11,000 trouble free miles on it and once got it up to an indicated speed of 160mph all stock. Handled like a slot car to me. It was my first Bimmer but now I am hooked. Since it was my first I wasn't in tune with all the boards and predictions which is why I must have missed talk of an impending 300hp engine! So now I read read read, just don't want to fall "victim" to that situation again...ever.

[Saebb]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

What do you mean? Are you talking about the engine?

The E36 M3 was upgraded from the 3L S50B30 to the 3.2L S52B30 for example.

Absolutely correct. Also the E34 M5 was updated from a 3,6l 315hp engine to a 3,8l 340hp engine. And the E30 M3 had three engines from 195 (or 200hp without kat) to 215 to 220 and to 238hp.

And as far as i know there will be an update to the M5 engine and to the V8.

[the_stranger]

I dont think it will happen in the near future. Coz, by 2009 the 420 hp M3s wont even be delivered for atleast half of them in the waiting list. and an upgrade at that time sounds ridiculous.

[Saebb]

Not in the near future, this would be really ridiculous. But at half time it is possible.

[Filthy Monkey]

It would be nice if they stuck it in the CSL, though, and dropped the weight by a couple of hundred kilos...

[devo]

Originally Posted by Davo2003

Yes, alarming isn't it. Read this

http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news...mentid=6225540

I was burned by BMW when I bought my 2006 330i with the much talked about "better than ever" 255HP inline six, then the 300HP Twin Turbo comes out with dual exhaust ONE year later! So this is my prediction for the M3 unless someone can tell me why I am wrong. If the M5 gets bumped up to compete with the twin turbo Audi RS6, guess where the 500HP V-10 will more than likely end up, especially with the AMG on the horizon and the RS4 being neck and neck with the M3...

My intention is not to offend you, but, how did BMW "burn" you? You bought the last year of a model run and had to know that the next model was imminent.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by swiss_cornholio

That's not gonna happen:

1) BMW never upgrades two series at the same time.
2) BMW has never upgraded an M car.

Actually, they did.

The USA 1995 M3 3.0 I-6 was replaced in 1996 with a 3.2; same HP, more torque.

[carnuts3]

Originally Posted by swiss_cornholio

That's not gonna happen:

1) BMW never upgrades two series at the same time.
2) BMW has never upgraded an M car.

Never say never - times change - especially with the competition really ratcheting up their entries over the past few years.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by devo

My intention is not to offend you, but, how did BMW "burn" you? You bought the last year of a model run and had to know that the next model was imminent.

You're confused I think.

He has (or had, apparently) an E90, not an E46. In the US, 2006 E90s (the first model year) were either 325i or 330i. For 2007 BMW changed to the 328i and 335i. Some folks were a little upset, some were mighty pissed. Still not really, burned - progress is progress. The key is to stay tuned in to the blogs and boards so you always know what is coming next. You live and learn.

[mullrat]

I think Hartage put the M5's V10 in a 3-series sedan. They had to make major mods on the dash and suspension. It will not happen because it will break bmw's holy grail which is 50:50 weight distribution. That's why they went with a high revving light weight engine, rather than something heavier like the v10. Don't rule out slightly higher displacement or ECU tuning to produce slightly more power.

[devo]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

You're confused I think.

He has (or had, apparently) an E90, not an E46. In the US, 2006 E90s (the first model year) were either 325i or 330i. For 2007 BMW changed to the 328i and 335i. Some folks were a little upset, some were mighty pissed. Still not really, burned - progress is progress. The key is to stay tuned in to the blogs and boards so you always know what is coming next. You live and learn.

Oh... That sucks!

[JEllis]

Not this M3...

For future M3's I would expect to see another generation of V8's and then probably, with pressure due to increasing environmental laws, a return to the straight six and a lighter car....maybe even diesel at this point.

I concur with a lot of future predictions of moderately powered cars that achieve great performance due to technological increases in exotic materials....

Jason

[chonko]

Originally Posted by Davo2003

Thanks for the response. I did LOVE the 330i, put 11,000 trouble free miles on it and once got it up to an indicated speed of 160mph all stock. Handled like a slot car to me. It was my first Bimmer but now I am hooked. Since it was my first I wasn't in tune with all the boards and predictions which is why I must have missed talk of an impending 300hp engine! So now I read read read, just don't want to fall "victim" to that situation again...ever.

I know what you mean, I went through that experience as well. I still have my 330i and will replace it with the E90 M3.
Right now it has 30,000 miles and not a problem thus far.
But be rest assured that the S65B40 will be around for quite a while.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Davo2003

Yes, alarming isn't it. Read this

http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news...mentid=6225540

I was burned by BMW when I bought my 2006 330i with the much talked about "better than ever" 255HP inline six, then the 300HP Twin Turbo comes out with dual exhaust ONE year later! So this is my prediction for the M3 unless someone can tell me why I am wrong. If the M5 gets bumped up to compete with the twin turbo Audi RS6, guess where the 500HP V-10 will more than likely end up, especially with the AMG on the horizon and the RS4 being neck and neck with the M3...

That article doesn't even mention the M3 once. It talks about the M5. How you got 500hp from a new M3? I don't know. The title of this thread is misleading.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by K3N R3D

That article doesn't even mention the M3 once. It talks about the M5. How you got 500hp from a new M3? I don't know. The title of this thread is misleading.

he's assuming they gonna have to do something with the left over V10's

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by mantis

he's assuming they gonna have to do something with the left over V10's

Yeh but its kinda rediculous. Not gona happen. Not for the next 5 years at least. If it ever will.

[Mx3]

M3 not even mentioned in the ariticle. Come on! Might as well say the future M3 will have 1,000 horespower and will have wings.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by K3N R3D

That article doesn't even mention the M3 once. It talks about the M5. How you got 500hp from a new M3? I don't know. The title of this thread is misleading.

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