Weirdest GTS ever?

[dakarm5]

This car was traded into a dealership in NY. If the dealer that took it in on trade new about all the missing parts or not is a question that only that dealer can answer.

This car sold on ACV auction platform on 12/21/2020. Sale price was $63,100 and it was disclosed in the auction that the water injection system was missing, but it did not specifically state anything about all the other missing parts.

[dakarm5]

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by dakarm5

This car was traded into a dealership in NY. If the dealer that took it in on trade new about all the missing parts or not is a question that only that dealer can answer.

This car sold on ACV auction platform on 12/21/2020. Sale price was $63,100 and it was disclosed in the auction that the water injection system was missing, but it did not specifically state anything about all the other missing parts.

Not even worth $70,000 retail at this point.

[irunalot]

Surprised they didn't take the hood as well.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by dakarm5

This car sold on ACV auction platform on 12/21/2020. Sale price was $63,100 and it was disclosed in the auction that the water injection system was missing, but it did not specifically state anything about all the other missing parts.

Lienrocs Told you bro, better check the water injection and which passive dampers!!!

[irunalot]

That really is a dirt bag move. Pay too much for a car, get mad because it lost value, strip it of parts, sell it, and let the next guy deal with it.

[FormulaMMM]

Water injection system, also not indicated on the Monroney label.

[jpdchicago]

Sure would not go within a mile of that dealership. Talk about false advertising...by omission. Still false advertising.
I sure does not help with some car dealers already bad reputation.
(FYI. Car sales people come third from last in "most respected professions" survey, right before Lobbyists and Members of Congress.
Nurses come first and Medical Doctors second.)
There are definitely some exceptions...some great dealerships out there... but that one takes the cake.
The guy who sold out the parts to get some of his money back is still the worse. What a scumbag! Should not have bought a Gts if he could not afford it. Speculators are the plague and hurting all of us who enjoy driving those cars.

[Lienrocs]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Lienrocs Told you bro, better check the water injection and which passive dampers!!!

Seriously! That's crazy! I can't imagine removing the water injection is even worth the hassle! At this point I just feel bad for that car. Also, whoever removed all the parts is pulling a bit of a scumbag move. If you don't want to lose money on a car then don't buy one and take the bus. Absolutely ridiculous.

[4play]

Originally Posted by Lienrocs

Seriously! That's crazy! I can't imagine removing the water injection is even worth the hassle! At this point I just feel bad for that car. Also, whoever removed all the parts is pulling a bit of a scumbag move. If you don't want to lose money on a car then don't buy one and take the bus. Absolutely ridiculous.

I don't even know how you'd go about removing the feed lines from the rear to the engine bay. And the engine bay injector.

Guessing those are all there and he just sold the tank/pump/valve block. Yikes. It's basically a comp pack M4 at this point, minus the seats and plus some fancy interior bits, wheels, and the hood.

[JLS_397K]

Originally Posted by PolishM3

So spoke to the original owner, turns out the owner was looking to recoup some of the depreciation he incurred and took the parts to use on another vehicle build / sold the rest.

If you bought this car not expecting it to depreciate, then you are F-ing stupid. Sure maybe, you got a well paying job/stocks/family money, but if you honestly bought this car and now pis sy that the value went down, thats on the owner.

I mean I bought mine, i know the value went down, but i didnt buy it to make money, i bought it to use, i.e. track/ car events.

There is only a handful of cars that either retained their value or go up after purchase... Some Porsche GT3/ 911 Turbo(s) models -- Ford GTs -- Koenigseggs -- Originally Shelbys, Yenko Camaros, Carrera GT, 918, Mclaren P1, some others... If you honestly believed that the BMW M4 GTS had the same retention value as any of those cars, then you are over estimating it. That being said, you buy it cause you want it. I own a E60 M5, a problem child yet unique. I had a M2, great car, freaking reliable, great value, actually had a slower depreciation, but still depreciated, more models (better) came out since 2016.

The GTS has it uniqueness as a whole. At least the few GTS that were crashed were probably being enjoyed... This was a pitiful move to scrap the car for parts.

[kindafrosty]

All this speculation, why don't we just ask the original owner that gutted the car? Calling ///Mfiend

[Lienrocs]

Originally Posted by kindafrosty

All this speculation, why don't we just ask the original owner that gutted the car? Calling ///Mfiend

US spec GTS seats are worth 10k in what universe? Not only did he destroy a car, he's barely going to make anything from said destruction. So sad.

[PolishM3]

Originally Posted by kindafrosty

All this speculation, why don't we just ask the original owner that gutted the car? Calling ///Mfiend

Already did. See post above.

[Day Laborer]

Originally Posted by PolishM3

Already did. See post above.

Don't think this is the same guy. His seats from sale on bimmerpost is for 5000$ not 10k.

I've also seen a long history of GTS parts and other BMW parts being sold from this ebay seller

[PolishM3]

Originally Posted by Day Laborer

Don't think this is the same guy. His seats from sale on bimmerpost is for 5000$ not 10k.

I've also seen a long history of GTS parts and other BMW parts being sold from this ebay seller

Maybe but I'd be surprised if it's not. He confirmed the black car was his.

[///Mfiend]

Originally Posted by PolishM3

Already did. See post above.

Hello fellow ///M enthusiast,

Let me set the record straight.

I purchased this GTS for 120k, drove it less than 1000 miles. When I traded it in I got offered 60k without the wing or wheels etc.

When someone buys a Honda Civic Si and puts on aftermarket wheels and intake . springs exhaust blah blah blah ... it's still a Honda Civic Si.

I owned this car and paid 60K to make whatever modifications I wanted under my ownership. When the car was traded is was obvious it had stock M4 wheels , No wing , The water system showing up disconnected on the computer. I actually paid $1000 for the dealer to inspect the car and reset the airbag light and bleed the stock brakes before trading it in.

This wasn't a hoodwink . This was a clean deal .

I got 60k Trade , Dealer got 63k at auction seems like it was pretty spot on deal to me.

The car was worth 60K as a
1000 mile M4 with a Rollcage / Carbon hood / Race suspension/ titanium exhaust.

Take 60k to the dealer and get a better spec M4. You're going home base with that money.

Furthermore the trunk is OEM factory painted , the seats are OEM M seats. everything besides the carbon mirror caps are OEM Parts.

60K:
M4 with 1000 miles
Rollcage
Carbon splitter
KW suspension
Titanium Exhaust
Carbon Hood
Carbon Door Panels
Aluminum Knuckles

Someone send me a link to a better M4 for that price ... Ill wait .

If you're mad blame BMW , Markus Flasch . Ever since Frank Van Meel Left ///M division.

They wouldn't sell GTS parts or parts from their motorsport program to build the M2 CSL they canceled. So I had to buy a 120k vehicle to build it myself .

You show me another bimmer addict that would go to the length I did to obtain OEM parts for a M2 Build... And all and all it still cost me retail to buy the parts the way I obtained them.

BMW didn't send me a sorry letter or compensate me when I bought a 2016 M2 that was missing a M engine , M seats and a Carbon roof from factory.

First OEM Water Injected M2 CSL Coming Soon.

[Maitre_Absolut]

Originally Posted by ///Mfiend

Hello fellow ///M enthusiast,

Let me set the record straight.

I purchased this GTS for 120k, drove it less than 1000 miles. When I traded it in I got offered 60k without the wing or wheels etc.

If you're mad blame BMW , Markus Flasch . Ever since Frank Van Meel Left ///M division.

They wouldn't sell GTS parts or parts from their motorsport program to build the M2 CSL they canceled. So I had to buy a 120k vehicle to build it myself .

BMW didn't send me a sorry letter or compensate me when I bought a 2016 M2 that was missing a M engine , M seats and a Carbon roof from factory.

Let me get this straight.

You bought a GTS for 120k, got a terrible trade in quote (say maybe only 10-20k over the 60k for stock M4) so you figured sell as M4 and keep the parts to transfer to next car as you believe (rightly so) that they were worth more than the trade in delta. I mean thats one way of taking less of a hit, but holding on to the GTS for longer and driving it more would have probably been better.

You comments about requiring comp from BMW for this and that also tell us you are still bitter about the GTS values. Wanting comp from BMW because they but the N55 in the M2? Not like they hid that from you...

[786]

Sorry but that all sounds like bs to me. Who would buy a GTS to build an M2 lol

Poor GTS, hopefully someone restores it back to its former glory.

[NYBulldog]

Lmfao, took a 60k loss, no big deal

[JLS_397K]

Originally Posted by ///Mfiend

Hello fellow ///M enthusiast,

Let me set the record straight.

I purchased this GTS for 120k, drove it less than 1000 miles. When I traded it in I got offered 60k without the wing or wheels etc.

When someone buys a Honda Civic Si and puts on aftermarket wheels and intake . springs exhaust blah blah blah ... it's still a Honda Civic Si.

I owned this car and paid 60K to make whatever modifications I wanted under my ownership. When the car was traded is was obvious it had stock M4 wheels , No wing , The water system showing up disconnected on the computer. I actually paid $1000 for the dealer to inspect the car and reset the airbag light and bleed the stock brakes before trading it in.

This wasn't a hoodwink . This was a clean deal .

I got 60k Trade , Dealer got 63k at auction seems like it was pretty spot on deal to me.

The car was worth 60K as a
1000 mile M4 with a Rollcage / Carbon hood / Race suspension/ titanium exhaust.

Take 60k to the dealer and get a better spec M4. You're going home base with that money.

Furthermore the trunk is OEM factory painted , the seats are OEM M seats. everything besides the carbon mirror caps are OEM Parts.

60K:
M4 with 1000 miles
Rollcage
Carbon splitter
KW suspension
Titanium Exhaust
Carbon Hood
Carbon Door Panels
Aluminum Knuckles

Someone send me a link to a better M4 for that price ... Ill wait .

If you're mad blame BMW , Markus Flasch . Ever since Frank Van Meel Left ///M division.

They wouldn't sell GTS parts or parts from their motorsport program to build the M2 CSL they canceled. So I had to buy a 120k vehicle to build it myself .

You show me another bimmer addict that would go to the length I did to obtain OEM parts for a M2 Build... And all and all it still cost me retail to buy the parts the way I obtained them.

BMW didn't send me a sorry letter or compensate me when I bought a 2016 M2 that was missing a M engine , M seats and a Carbon roof from factory.

First OEM Water Injected M2 CSL Coming Soon.

Too ///Mfiend or other members, I encourage you to correct me but I will make my comments...

First off, The BMW M4 GTS isn't close to a Honda Civic Si or anything. Those cars are for those who want to get their foot in the door for a cheaper price and tinker with stuff. Yeah sure, I know a couple of four cylinder engines are producing insane HP and drag times, they also sit in the garage with the hood open getting fixed over and over.

And there is problems with this story line honestly which makes me wonder about you thinking entirely. Because another guy on here, I believe YMS Motorsport, was building a M4 GTS with components from M4 GT4 motorsport/suppliers. Also you had Evolve make thier M2 GTS "Starla"... So you cant say that it wasn't possible.

Why was the Airbag had to be reset with less than 1000 miles?
And Bleeding the brakes was just cause of the length of time I would say... And to complain that you pad $1000 to fix that is something that can be rectified by taking either 1k out of your expected gain by selling it or taking more money on trade in. (i.e. you were content with 59k but now want 60k to recover "loses")

In regards to finding a better m4 is subjective, the issue some may agree with is that you are driving a car with a Vin # corresponding to a manufactured M4 GTS, and you look no different than a similar 16' M4 Comp sitting in your local community college. Acid Orange, half inch wider rims are gone,... the spoiler is gone. and the hood can be an RKP from IND.

So from the outside its nothing. Tracking the car, then yes, maybe you an advantage by having less features on the inside to weigh you down(although you lost you water injection system) ... as a daily, you better off with you 201 M4 Comp that has heated seats, driver aids and better audio system.


"BMW didn't send me a sorry letter or compensate me when I bought a 2016 M2 that was missing a M engine , M seats and a Carbon roof from factory. " This quote make no sense as I am sure it needs some background info but still doesn't matter. Did you buy an M2 already F'd up from a individual third party dealer?Did you buy an M2 thinking it was a S55 motor because they clearly stated it was N55 with components (pieces) from S55. No one is ever content with normal seats for racing, so that gone and replaced... And as for the Carbon fiber roof, that an issue because why? The stock M4 had it?

[///Mfiend]

Originally Posted by JLS_397K

Too ///Mfiend or other members, I encourage you to correct me but I will make my comments...

First off, The BMW M4 GTS isn't close to a Honda Civic Si or anything. Those cars are for those who want to get their foot in the door for a cheaper price and tinker with stuff. Yeah sure, I know a couple of four cylinder engines are producing insane HP and drag times, they also sit in the garage with the hood open getting fixed over and over.

And there is problems with this story line honestly which makes me wonder about you thinking entirely. Because another guy on here, I believe YMS Motorsport, was building a M4 GTS with components from M4 GT4 motorsport/suppliers. Also you had Evolve make thier M2 GTS "Starla"... So you cant say that it wasn't possible.

Why was the Airbag had to be reset with less than 1000 miles?
And Bleeding the brakes was just cause of the length of time I would say... And to complain that you pad $1000 to fix that is something that can be rectified by taking either 1k out of your expected gain by selling it or taking more money on trade in. (i.e. you were content with 59k but now want 60k to recover "loses")

In regards to finding a better m4 is subjective, the issue some may agree with is that you are driving a car with a Vin # corresponding to a manufactured M4 GTS, and you look no different than a similar 16' M4 Comp sitting in your local community college. Acid Orange, half inch wider rims are gone,... the spoiler is gone. and the hood can be an RKP from IND.

So from the outside its nothing. Tracking the car, then yes, maybe you an advantage by having less features on the inside to weigh you down(although you lost you water injection system) ... as a daily, you better off with you 201 M4 Comp that has heated seats, driver aids and better audio system.


"BMW didn't send me a sorry letter or compensate me when I bought a 2016 M2 that was missing a M engine , M seats and a Carbon roof from factory. " This quote make no sense as I am sure it needs some background info but still doesn't matter. Did you buy an M2 already F'd up from a individual third party dealer?Did you buy an M2 thinking it was a S55 motor because they clearly stated it was N55 with components (pieces) from S55. No one is ever content with normal seats for racing, so that gone and replaced... And as for the Carbon fiber roof, that an issue because why? The stock M4 had it?

I don't even know why im addressing such misinformation and nonsense but here we go.....

im not mad at bmw for the 2016 m2 ...I was being sarcastic because some people in the thread think that a GTS is no longer a GTS without the Wing .

According to that theory a 2016 M2 isn't a M car because it doesn't have a true M motor or M seats . And a Ferrari isn't a Ferrari if you take out the seats and put in recaros seats. A bmw isn't a M if you put a akarpovic exhaust ....come on wake up that's nonsense.

Sorry that went over your head.

I had bmw bleed the brake lines because I took off the carbon ceramic brakes and put on oem steel brakes . When servicing the car it was obvious to the dealer that I changed the brake kit it calls for different service.

Im stating I COULD have sold the car sight unseen or traded it in without saying anything. THATS NOT THE CASE.


I was honest and told the dealer I removed the wing / seats / brakes etc . They offered me trade based on " this is a M4 with a roll cage" .

I dropped the car off to have the new brakes bled and the car inspected at a BMW dealer prior to trade in. During this service the bmw tech was very aware of what changed were made . this was not a woop swoop and pull. they deducted 8k from my offer for the missing parts.

I needed the airbag lights turned off because when you remove seats and put in new ones that come from another vehicle it needs to be coded to the car (airbags , Seat tensioners)

I bought the car for 120k .. traded it for 60k ... paid 60k for its parts I kept
and a bunch of people are so concerned

Riddle me this.....

The current dealer bought the car for 63k clearly without the wing/ on stock rims and is marking it up to 93k to make 30k profit and no one is bashing them for that.

I paid for my GTS. I paid for the parts I kept .

This dealer got a good deal for 63k and they are trying to make a exuberant amount of profit. Their have even been people saying in this thread saying its still worth 60k and they would be interested at a lower price point then the 93k the dealer is currently asking.

Profiting 30k on 63k is what seems dishonest to me but whatever . I bet there are plenty of people here that would have bought the car for the 60k the dealer paid me . I didn't get the GTS value because I kept its parts.

I should have parted out the rest of the car ....I would have gotten the same amount and still have a frame and engine when I was done and a lot less crying from people who arnt even involved in any way to the vehicle.

Now mind your business and don't speak on what you don't understand and doesn't concern you.

Yes I bought a GTS that drives like a boat or Cadillac to build a M2 ...call me crazy ..... read some literature... the M2 is being regarded as the best M car bmw has made since the 1M and the E46 CSL.

Its the Ultimate Driving Machine.

Im like 5 foot tall go ahead and bash me for that .....I like a shorter wheel base I come from Hondas / Acuras and 350z before I could afford my dream M car. I fit in them better and feel like its more like a go-cart.

I made that comment out with the upmost respect to Honda owners, they build their civics that could blow the doors off your car. if you don't believe me come put your money where your mouth is and race this local civic that does just over 8 sec quarter mile... that civic hurts peoples feelings. The tires look like chewed bubblegum when they stick to the tarmac.

That's where I come from where you build the car you want not buy it ...im building a M2 into a M2CSL because BMW wouldn't ...Maybe you don't get that but a Honda guy would .