[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

We'll see about that. Everyone said the same about the 2nd gen BRZ/86 and that has shown to be quite a substantial difference in driving dynamics.

I have watched most of the BRZ/86 reviews and haven't seen any that say the improvement in driving dynamics is substantial. The old car had great driving dynamics and was let down by bad tires and a weak engine that was tuned terribly. Lets not forget that they shipping the new cars with PS4S tires instead of Primacy tires of last gen. Yes handling improvements have been noted but most of the improvement is the engine.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I have watched most of the BRZ/86 reviews and haven't seen any that say the improvement in driving dynamics is substantial. The old car had great driving dynamics and was let down by bad tires and a weak engine that was tuned terribly. Lets not forget that they shipping the new cars with PS4S tires instead of Primacy tires of last gen. Yes handling improvements have been noted but most of the improvement is the engine.

Incorrect. The lesser trim models, for both the BRZ and GR86 still come with 17" wheels and Primacy tires. The higher trim models for both come with 18" wheels and the PS4S.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I have watched most of the BRZ/86 reviews and haven't seen any that say the improvement in driving dynamics is substantial. The old car had great driving dynamics and was let down by bad tires and a weak engine that was tuned terribly. Lets not forget that they shipping the new cars with PS4S tires instead of Primacy tires of last gen. Yes handling improvements have been noted but most of the improvement is the engine.

Tires on the premium are Primacy. The limited gets PS4, not PS4S tires.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I have watched most of the BRZ/86 reviews and haven't seen any that say the improvement in driving dynamics is substantial. The old car had great driving dynamics and was let down by bad tires and a weak engine that was tuned terribly. Lets not forget that they shipping the new cars with PS4S tires instead of Primacy tires of last gen. Yes handling improvements have been noted but most of the improvement is the engine.

I owned an original BRZ and all the reviews I have read/watched suggest that almost every shortcoming those cars had, have been addressed. I'm not talking revolution but evolution, and I suspect that is what you will see with the Z. Can you really ask for much more these days? The dollars and cents just can't justify a bespoke 2 door sports car, especially from a manufacturer like Nissan.

[supra93]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...rt-wheels.694/

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Incorrect. The lesser trim models, for both the BRZ and GR86 still come with 17" wheels and Primacy tires. The higher trim models for both come with 18" wheels and the PS4S.

All the reviews have been done on higher trim models with PS4S tires and we were discussing reviewers opinions.

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

I owned an original BRZ and all the reviews I have read/watched suggest that almost every shortcoming those cars had, have been addressed. I'm not talking revolution but evolution, and I suspect that is what you will see with the Z. Can you really ask for much more these days? The dollars and cents just can't justify a bespoke 2 door sports car, especially from a manufacturer like Nissan.

I can't comment on companies being able to afford/justify anything, but not every sports car needs to be the performance bargain of the century that outperforms cars 2-3x its price. Sometimes it just needs to be compelling enough at a certain price. And at low to mid 40s, if this is really is the price the Z ends up with, I think it's a hell of a package, old bones and all.

I can't think of another new twin turbo 400hp manual RWD coupe for 45k. I personally would need a trim with an LSD, so I'll reserve judgment until final pricing is announced. But even at 50k, you would need to REALLY like the Supra to pay ~8-10k over this. I don't think it's 8-10k more car. The only advantage to me, and it is a big one, is the inline 6 engine.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by ntg44

I can't comment on companies being able to afford/justify anything, but not every sports car needs to be the performance bargain of the century that outperforms cars 2-3x its price. Sometimes it just needs to be compelling enough at a certain price. And at low to mid 40s, if this is really is the price the Z ends up with, I think it's a hell of a package, old bones and all.

I can't think of another new twin turbo 400hp manual RWD coupe for 45k. I personally would need a trim with an LSD, so I'll reserve judgment until final pricing is announced. But even at 50k, you would need to REALLY like the Supra to pay ~8-10k over this. I don't think it's 8-10k more car. The only advantage to me, and it is a big one, is the inline 6 engine.

Completely agree.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by ntg44

I can't think of another new twin turbo 400hp manual RWD coupe for 45k. I personally would need a trim with an LSD, so I'll reserve judgment until final pricing is announced. But even at 50k, you would need to REALLY like the Supra to pay ~8-10k over this. I don't think it's 8-10k more car. The only advantage to me, and it is a big one, is the inline 6 engine.

Exactly, because the Z is the only one. I'll get a Nismo when/if it happens so long that it's offered in 6MT, if not, then a manual Performance model works for me.

The Zupra is hard for me to look at and would need a major exterior overhaul to even be considered. It'll get a manual soon and the factory ceiling of the B58 is higher than the VR30, but since I'm keeping my N54 I really don't want another car with a BMW engine though the power a B58TU1 makes with just a tune is really impressive. At this point I like to hold on to my cars for a long time, so hopefully Japanese reliability will be as nice this time as it's been in the past for me.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

Yeah, I thought we all knew that by now but I guess some people still think that it uses the same powertrain and only the bumpers are different

It should also be updated elsewhere. After all, it is the latest & greatest.

Nissan just goes backwards so no wonder they are in $ trouble

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Nissan just goes backwards so no wonder they are in $ trouble

Well… that’s for sure part of it

[z335is]

I want to love this car but man, that interior is way too similar to my 370 that I owned 12 years ago

[AlpineBoost]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...ort-truck.707/

[freakystyly]

Not sure why they'd have LHD cars on a truck in Japan?

[AlpineBoost]

Well the Z is not built anywhere else. Unless you mean on a truck unprepped for shipment.

[freakystyly]

Well you're not wrong, the wiki says Kaminokawa, Tochigi. The question was more like why a truck and not a train to port.

[Randy22]

He became much faster:

Estimated zero-to-60 mph time of 3.5 seconds

and 370Z of 2020 was about 5 seconds

It's almost like the previous generations GTR

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Randy22

He became much faster:

Estimated zero-to-60 mph time of 3.5 seconds

and 370Z of 2020 was about 5 seconds

It's almost like the previous generations GTR

I don't believe that for a second. That would be quicker than a G8x Comp rwd. Not a chance. What's the source?

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

I don't believe that for a second. That would be quicker than a G8x Comp rwd. Not a chance. What's the source?

Yeah, 3.5 is not correct. Nissan has stated that it's achieved 15% faster 0-60 time over the 370, so it will probably be marketed around 4.2-4.4. I'll be interested to see independent testing.

[Randy22]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

I don't believe that for a second. That would be quicker than a G8x Comp rwd. Not a chance. What's the source?

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/nissan-z-2023/

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Randy22

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/nissan-z-2023/

Estimated. There's no way it's a full second faster than the Q50 Red Sport 400 AWD which only does 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds and a pretty slow 13 second 1/4 mile time. If it's slower than an a B58 M340i I can't imagine the same engine in a RWD car (even if it's lighter) will be able to pull off 3.5 seconds. I don't think Forbes is much of an automotive authority.

https://www.caranddriver.com/infiniti/q50-red-sport-400

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0-test-review/

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Estimated. There's no way it's a full second faster than the Q50 Red Sport 400 AWD which only does 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds and a pretty slow 13 second 1/4 mile time. If it's slower than an a B58 M340i I can't imagine the same engine in a RWD car (even if it's lighter) will be able to pull off 3.5 seconds. I don't think Forbes is much of an automotive authority.

https://www.caranddriver.com/infiniti/q50-red-sport-400

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0-test-review/

^^this.