Manual or SMG

[replicat]

Originally Posted by Last E92 M3

i am sure that he will try both considering this isnt a cheap car.
but compare to other writings, this writing is most convincing.

+4873468923746932

[visor]

Hey fellas,

Just thought of something interesting/cool and wanted to share to see if BMW could implement it into the upcoming SMG IV(?).

Currently with the way SMG functions, there are several manual "programs" which you pre-select depending on how aggresive and fast you want to drive/shift. However, depending on the variability of traffic conditions, you don't want to be locked into any particular program. Sometimes you want to shift aggresively and sometimes smoothly and slowly, depending on your mood and traffic condition at that particular moment. This is something that you can do if you're driving a manual tranny with a clutch pedal. You decide how you want to shift at any moment, not the computer. Which was why I was initially against SMG, because I would lose control of that spontaneity in deciding how I want to shift at any moment.

To come back to my idea: what if the SMG computer can sense how fast or how hard you push or pull the paddles/shifter in order to decide how aggresive you want it to shift? This way you're not locked into any particular mode/program. This way you decide at any moment not only when but also how fast you want to shift. The faster you activate the paddles/shifter, the faster it shifts. Much more control and spontaneity is given back to the driver!

What do you fellas think?

[M3ichael]

Originally Posted by visor

To come back to my idea: what if the SMG computer can sense how fast or how hard you push or pull the paddles/shifter in order to decide how aggresive you want it to shift? This way you're not locked into any particular mode/program. This way you decide at any moment not only when but also how fast you want to shift. The faster you activate the paddles/shifter, the faster it shifts. Much more control and spontaneity is given back to the driver!

Like your idea it reminds me of the Playstion contol buttons there pressure sensitive, Comes in handy when playing GT4.
I do think BMW could somehow come up with a pressure sensitive paddle. You could still have the mode/program and select it as a default setting. Like being in S2 then wanting to shift really fast to pass a car S5, then the system would revert back to S2 for better gas milege.

I've driven in S5 (99.9%) since I bought the car if I need more power just a double flip (or one) of the paddle and insta power. The other modes are to jerky and slow I really wanted the feeling of fast shifts when I got the car, even just driving around town (bumper to bumper is another story) but that's just my opinion. Wonder what everyone else thinks.....

[cntlaw]

not one doubt SMG , no manual.
Porsche 997 Turbo Sequential Shift is 0.5s faster than a stick.
I believe BMW will come up with an enhanced version of 7speed SMG III even better and more advancement than the one on M6.

[Romo]

I can not choose, so I`ll buy both versoins I think.................LOL

[replicat]

Wow, thats a really brilliant idea Visor, get it patented ASAP!

You never know, maybe some jerk from BMW will read this and take it!

[visor]

Originally Posted by replicat

Wow, thats a really brilliant idea Visor, get it patented ASAP!

You never know, maybe some jerk from BMW will read this and take it!

Thanx replicat!

I wouldn't know how to get it patented, but I'm sure BMW engineers are smart enough to have considered this already... I hope?! If not, I'll have to get Jussi to co-patent with his SMG/DSG combo design!

[replicat]

Lol, now thats an idea.

[enigma]

Originally Posted by visor

I wouldn't know how to get it patented, but I'm sure BMW engineers are smart enough to have considered this already... I hope?!

Yes, because the SMG II and III already have this functionality. You just use the gas pedal instead. No need to re-invent the wheel

SMG should not even be a consideration. BMW will get rid of it soon.....
Go with a manual or even an automatic.

[enigma]

Originally Posted by M5_2010

SMG should not even be a consideration. BMW will get rid of it soon.....
Go with a manual or even an automatic.

nice 2nd post. Care to back up your statement?

Drove an SMG for 2 1/2 years and hated it.... It is good for racing on a track but it is too cluncky for daily drives.... Audi/VW has a better system. BMW will be going in that direction.

[enigma]

Originally Posted by M5_2010

Drove an SMG for 2 1/2 years and hated it.... It is good for racing on a track but it is too cluncky for daily drives.... Audi/VW has a better system. BMW will be going in that direction.

Well, look at the results. Your opinion is in the minority. So there is no reason for it to "go away" like you origionally stated.

[M3ichael]

Originally Posted by enigma

Well, look at the results. Your opinion is in the minority. So there is no reason for it to "go away" like you origionally stated.

+1

[Smoltz]

Originally Posted by M5_2010

Drove an SMG for 2 1/2 years and hated it.... It is good for racing on a track but it is too cluncky for daily drives.... Audi/VW has a better system. BMW will be going in that direction.

That must be why Audi's flagship car (R8) uses a system nearly identical to SMG II in favor of DSG.

-Adam

[replicat]

Originally Posted by Smoltz

That must be why Audi's flagship car (R8) uses a system nearly identical to SMG II in favor of DSG.

-Adam

+1

& Please don't compare dual clutch gearboxes with SMG type gear boxes, they have no business in the same sentence. DSG will obviously be the faster shifter, but the trouble with having it in a true sports car, is the lack of ability to handle lots of power/torque. So unless they can beef the entire system up, don't expect to see BMW's ZSG in any M models. It should only be seen in the regular model cars.

On with the ban of slushboxes!!

-Pete.

[BMWDavid]

Originally Posted by visor

Hey fellas,

Just thought of something interesting/cool and wanted to share to see if BMW could implement it into the upcoming SMG IV(?).

Currently with the way SMG functions, there are several manual "programs" which you pre-select depending on how aggresive and fast you want to drive/shift. However, depending on the variability of traffic conditions, you don't want to be locked into any particular program. Sometimes you want to shift aggresively and sometimes smoothly and slowly, depending on your mood and traffic condition at that particular moment.:

Your suggestion exists in SMG transmissions already. When I drive in traffic or in the city, I use the "D" mode and three bars. The second that I want to drive aggressively or pass someone, I downshift using the left paddle. This engages the sequential or manual mode with five bars for me since maintaining S6 requires that traction be deactivated and remain off. When I am done passing or enter a city again, changing back to my city driving mode is a simple press to the right of the center shifter. Pressing to the right toggles between modes and it remembers your program settings for each mode (D1-5 auto, S1-6 sequential). Likewise, shifting using the paddles engages the sequential mode and also remembers your setting S1-6. I hope they continue with this feature in SMG IV.

[Last E92 M3]

Bump because my mind is set to SMG!
Though I was the creater of this thread, I haven't voted until now. hahaha...

[MisterBMW]

Can BMW ever make the SMG 'auto' a lot smoother at all?

BMW needs to make a manual, SMG and auto(for me) M3

[Alpine003]

For me, it has to be SMG since I will be sharing the car with the fiancee.

[zeebeda]

I'll probably go with the SMG, unless it looks the same as the ugly one I saw yesterday.

[PL1987]

Originally Posted by david06M3

How do you make up your mind about whether or not to purchase a particular transmission from reading an article on someone else's opinion? Drive the car then decide if it's right for you. Hopefully you will try SMG without preconceived notions and the person you are with is very familiar with it, then make up your mind. Someone once told me to stay away from fat girls because I wouldn't like them. I tried for myself and married two (talk about torque!!).

+1, personally I prefer to have a clutch next to my brake pedal.