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      02-09-2020, 04:50 PM   #45
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BMW designers are the best? Who knew
If there are, say, 1000 designers out of 7.8 billion people on earth, you would think BMW could score some of the best ones. Here let me help. Let's pretend you've hired a plumber. They end up completely botching the work. Do you then say, "well I couldn't have fixed it, so I'll pay for it anyway"? Or.. do you expect a plumber to do their job.

The designers at BMW have lost it. Now arguably we could say this is what the majority of their buyers, who are now in China, prefer. But for NA this design language is not appealing. Quite simply, it's bad design. We can get technical about it but frankly I think you probably agree it looks terrible.

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Lol ok. Although not sure why I need to supply you with pen & paper. No doubt you have access to those items. Feel free to whip something up and post it here. More specifically the vehicle we're "reviewing" - I'd love to see your sketches
No need to be aggressive. In fact, we can look at the E46 and E92 which were heralded as some of the most tasteful and beautifully proportioned 4 seater coupes of all time. Surely you have noticed that BMW itself cannot seem to decide on a direction, with connected grilles, unconnected grills, Kia grilles, massive grilles, thin grilles, low hood, high hoods, short overhangs, long overhangs, and on and on. Even the distinctive Hoffmeister kink has been diluted. It is arguably bad for the brand which has less design cohesion than Toyota.
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      02-09-2020, 04:56 PM   #46
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BMW designers are the best? Who knew
If there are, say, 1000 designers out of 7.8 billion people on earth, you would think BMW could score some of the best ones. Here let me help. Let's pretend you've hired a plumber. They end up completely botching the work. Do you then say, "well I couldn't have fixed it, so I'll pay for it anyway"? Or.. do you expect a plumber to do their job.

The designers at BMW have lost it. Now arguably we could say this is what the majority of their buyers, who are now in China, prefer. But for NA this design language is not appealing. Quite simply, it's bad design. We can get technical about it but frankly I think you probably agree it looks terrible.

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Lol ok. Although not sure why I need to supply you with pen & paper. No doubt you have access to those items. Feel free to whip something up and post it here. More specifically the vehicle we're "reviewing" - I'd love to see your sketches
No need to be aggressive. In fact, we can look at the E46 and E92 which were heralded as some of the most tasteful and beautifully proportioned 4 seater coupes of all time. Surely you have noticed that BMW itself cannot seem to decide on a direction, with connected grilles, unconnected grills, Kia grilles, massive grilles, thin grilles, low hood, high hoods, short overhangs, long overhangs, and on and on. Even the distinctive Hoffmeister kink has been diluted. It is arguably bad for the brand which has less design cohesion than Toyota.
Aggressive? Hardly. And thank you for your added insight.

Have a wonderful rest of the weekend.
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      02-09-2020, 05:24 PM   #47
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      02-09-2020, 05:58 PM   #48
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I am actually going to give this rig a try. I am going to "downgrade" from a manual m2 to a m235i gran coupe fully loaded by april. It will be a my first auto in 25 years of driving stick. It will have more tech and will be awd when needed in winter and a full sun roof and with 300+ hp on tap should be more than enough in city or highway. And I will get better gas economy, less CO2 and less carbon tax off to Trudeau, and my pocket book will be lighter on insurance. More compliant on the road and I won't be challenged by rice rockets, trucks, or rental sprinter vans in races. If this is not for me in a few years then back it goes and back to something else. But I am willing to give it a shot. After test driving the m135i hatch in europe this past fall, I am certain this will have similar amenities for me. I don't care about all the "purist" flaming on it on here.
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      02-09-2020, 06:31 PM   #49
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Aggressive? Hardly. And thank you for your added insight.

Have a wonderful rest of the weekend.
You're totally not aggressive. But I would say you're glossing the work of the BMW designers a bit. The mediocre designs at BMW are piling up and I'am so happy these days I still drive a E39 530i genuine beauty with real RWD and 50/50 weight distribution! And for the prices they keep charging for even these small cars, that's a shame.
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Still wish they would have called it a 1-series sedan, since thats really what it is.

There is nothing "gran coupe" about the design and would have saved the confusion of offering two different 2-series variants with different engines, drivetrain layouts and nomenclature.
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I saw one yesterday as I placed a order for X3MC

And the only thing I like on this car is this
Off topic...If it wasn't for my wife and I driving a Macan "S" plus the need I have for a traditional sports car, that X3M is one good looking vehicle.
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The biggest competitor for this car is going to be in the very same showroom - a CPO 340 sedan. As fast, or faster, likely cheaper and with say 15k miles, you're still getting a new car.

Can't see the logic there. Wait till this thing is your loaner car...
It's not a true apples/apples comparison - if that were the case, we'd all be driving BMW executive demos and save $10,000 before program incentives and discounts and it would still be registered as a new car -forget about CPO.

All BMW's can overlap each other in price so with your argument, you're assuming that a prospective buyer for the M235i Gran Coupe even wants a M340i or even a 3 Series for that matter. Audi doesn't have a problem with the A3 and neither does Mercedes with the CLA - I don't see BMW having an issue with the 2er Gran Coupe.
Not an M340 - an F30. A quick search shows 35 within 50 miles of me, priced at 35-40, which way undercuts the 235.

Couple that with the inevitable death of the basic 3 box sedan and I'm it sure how this will survive. Especially since the coupe version drives much better.

But we'll see! A bad BMW is better than many other good cars.
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      02-09-2020, 07:00 PM   #53
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Definitely not a car you'll look back at after parking.
Unless your last car was a Camry, Accord, or Sonata. How you pick this one at the BMW dealership out of a lineup of better looking better performing cars is beyond me. 🤨
Just the opposite, it's easy for me to see how you pick this one, it's the lowest price of car styled bmws. If you don't want to pay for higher priced 3 or 4 series, and your life can fit into a 2, you get this.
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Aggressive? Hardly. And thank you for your added insight.

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You're totally not aggressive. But I would say you're glossing the work of the BMW designers a bit. The mediocre designs at BMW are piling up and I'am so happy these days I still drive a E39 530i genuine beauty with real RWD and 50/50 weight distribution! And for the prices they keep charging for even these small cars, that's a shame.
I don't think I'm glossing over "poor" designs. There are definitely a few late model BMW's out there I'm not a fan of, or more accurately, models whose design I don't grasp. But, whilst I may not be a fan or understand those designs, I know one thing for certain - I definitely could NOT do a better job than these designers, for any manufacturer. Whiles I support all opinions, I have trouble supporting some statements that "slam" a design because it looks like a Kia?...Some if those Kia's look pretty damn fine to me.

BMW are trying new things in order to expand their share. Nothing wrong with that; they need to reach the masses, increase their revenue, profits, etc. Along the way, there may be some mistakes.

In any case, as I said, if you don't like a given design, from any car maker, don't buy it.
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I would totally consider this car...

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... as a rental.
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Don't like it at all. The GC (except 6 and 8 series) has always been hideous.
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This will be the new #1 BMW Loaner car now that the 320i's are gone, so it seems like everyone will get a fare share of experience with it no matter how much they dislike it
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You're also in Calgary ?
No, it just popped up in my Youtube feed while I ws looking for X1 videos.

While we are at disccussing the car I am also not a fan of the look of the front. But that also goes for the 8-series, Z4 and 1-series. But then again I also hated the front of the F30 when it came out because the headlights kissed the grill. Back then I thought BMW had lost it. Still I got one myself two years later and kept if for six years. I guess most new designs are nowadays an "aquired taste".

But I am also pretty sure this will sell very well. There is a market for this car (else BMW would not make it) and people can easily be enthusiast about FWD cars. Just look at the Golf GTI, Audi S3 and Mercedes A45 crowd. Many people buy their cars purely for the looks. My wife has an M240i and it was primarily chosen because of the design. The engine was only a secondary choice.

And then there is the large crowd of owners who just want to be related to the brand no matter what. This is a fine cheap option for them as well.
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The prestige of owning a BMW, fully loaded "M" (sort of) car, for under $60k will attract a lot of buyers. Is it as gorgeous or as high performance as a $150k M8 - no, but you get what you pay for. I personally like it a lot but if I wanted a 4dr sedan I'd opt for the M340 for about $10k more.
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After some discussion (and a bottle of good whisky shared) with my friend working at BMW in Munich I finally understand better why 2GC is so ugly and FWD.

In short, delivering a car to the market that has better looks and/or traction (lower weight would add to that) than the 3-series could cannibalize this mainstream model sales.

So to avoid it and still try to fish for new customers coming from other front-wheel-drive market offerings, they made it FWD and went with a design that makes sure any real BMW fan(atic) won't even look at this car. It's rather a product for our sons and daughters, than for us
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Paint the outer of the grill body colour and then keep the inner slats gloss black, chrome or cerium grey whatever they came with or floats your boat.

This would reduce the visual mass of the grills. That would be my plan with the M135i.
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I wonder how all the critics, who have zero design knowledge, would fair designing any vehicle, much less this one. So easy to critique
Good thing we don't design vehicles and instead expect the best designers on earth to do that job.
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