M4 vs 04' SL600

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

All m5 owners will say its faster on a track than an m3. Yeah these are long circuits with a bunch of straights and if anything it says the performance isnt an overall package if it is beating out an m3 by a mere couple of seconds with almost 200 more hp (yes the f series m cars are underrated and wouldnt be surprised if they had 600hp easily).

NOW.....take it to any of your local tracks where the straights are short, the braking zones are short, and are really twisty, do you really think an m5 can hang with an m3? Gotta be kidding yourself.

Besides i havent seen any m5 owners at a track except at a bmw cca event, where most arent track junkies and go every weekend.

I would love to try one though but if us m3 owners think our cars are pigs, well add another almost 600-700 pounds lol.

I agree 100%. Most people read magazine lap times and make judgements. Just because one day an M5 is .4 seconds faster means very little. You'll always see more M3's on the track then the M5. The M5 is heavy and starts to heat up fast after two laps. I challenge any M5 owner to toss thier car through a high speed slalom and then a M3. Tell me the M5 was superior, I dare you.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

All m5 owners will say its faster on a track than an m3. ... NOW.....take it to any of your local tracks where the straights are short, the braking zones are short, and are really twisty, do you really think an m5 can hang with an m3? Gotta be kidding yourself.

And as a M3 owner, you would say otherwise, based on your logic ... Don't kid yourself with your M3 ... many of the laps are under 3 minutes and the "straights" are "long" http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...mw_m5_f10.html

Now, if you are referring to the M4, then it's a whole different story, the M4 will be first, M5 second, and yes, the M3 ... last.

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by bm323

And as a M3 owner, you would say otherwise, based on your logic ... Don't kid yourself with your M3 ... many of the laps are under 3 minutes and the "straights" are "long" http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...mw_m5_f10.html

Now, if you are referring to the M4, then it's a whole different story, the M4 will be first, M5 second, and yes, the M3 ... last.

You think the M3 will be slower than the M4 by any significantly measurable amount?

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by bm323

And as a M3 owner, you would say otherwise, based on your logic ... Don't kid yourself with your M3 ... many of the laps are under 3 minutes and the "straights" are "long" http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...mw_m5_f10.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://fastestlaps.c...5_f10.html</a>" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...0.html</a></a>

Now, if you are referring to the M4, then it's a whole different story, the M4 will be first, M5 second, and yes, the M3 ... last.

I failed to also mention that most m5 owners are just magazine racers

Seriously, do you go regularly on the weekends? Once or twice a month? A three minute track is pretty long around here. I even said, local tracks where there are short straights short braking zones and very twisty turns.

If there are long straights and big sweeper turns an M5 BETTER be faster with an extra 200 hp. Oh and its a new model vs one thats how many years old?

I dont think ive ever been to a laptime site because it absolutely means nothing. I dont think i ever will neither. You think an m5 will beat an m3 on a track where the fastest cars are s2000s?!

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

I failed to also mention that most m5 owners are just magazine racers

Seriously, do you go regularly on the weekends? Once or twice a month? A three minute track is pretty long around here. I even said, local tracks where there are short straights short braking zones and very twisty turns.

If there are long straights and big sweeper turns an M5 BETTER be faster with an extra 200 hp. Oh and its a new model vs one thats how many years old?

I dont think ive ever been to a laptime site because it absolutely means nothing. I dont think i ever will neither. You think an m5 will beat an m3 on a track where the fastest cars are s2000s?!

When I stop seeing S2000's and Miatas passing these so called track kings people can start bragging.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by buildbright

I agree 100%. Most people read magazine lap times and make judgements. Just because one day an M5 is .4 seconds faster means very little. You'll always see more M3's on the track then the M5. The M5 is heavy and starts to heat up fast after two laps. I challenge any M5 owner to toss thier car through a high speed slalom and then a M3. Tell me the M5 was superior, I dare you.

+10000

Seriously, I don't know if M5 owners just have a belief that their cars are superior in EVERY single way just because of where it is placed in the lineup and the price tag (maybe its because the way M6 owners treat them ). Us M3 owners must be at the bottom of the food chain.

But seriously, bm323 do you even go to the track at all? You have 450 posts total (with about 15 in this thread) and are just citing websites all over the place!

I'm curious whether the story would be completely different if these were average laptimes over a 30 minute session. Is the M5 just a couple fast laps and then limp mode? So a newer model F10 with a 200hp advantage is still only a couple seconds faster than a discontinued m3 that has been around for how many years in your laptime citings? That already says something there if you don't notice the details besides the actual numbers.

Do you really think 4500lbs is going to be quicker than an m3 on your average local track with just turn after turn? You would just be powersliding through every turn for fun or just get bored lugging around all that damn weight and waiting for a long straight to finally unleash the beast while watching s2000s and miatas pass you lap after lap. A 1m coupe would do even better. I think you need to get some hpde experience before you judge.

Lastly, there are many threads in here where BMW owners have been invited or gone to an event where they had a chance to drive all the different models, whether its a BMW event or the M school. Good honest reviews, not some laptime from the intardnet.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by tdizzle

You think the M3 will be slower than the M4 by any significantly measurable amount?

I was referring to pkim's M3, ie not the F80

The F80 M3 will certainly be faster than the F10 M5 on a track

[bm323]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

If there are long straights and big sweeper turns an M5 BETTER be faster with an extra 200 hp. Oh and its a new model vs one thats how many years old?

Can't help you here ... point is not which has more hp or newer ... As much as you believe in my post that I track faster in the M5, I believe that you can track a M5 probably grimacing over the F80 F82 having more hp, and newer

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by bm323

Can't help you here ... point is not which has more hp or newer ... As much as you believe in my post that I track faster in the M5, I believe that you can track a M5 probably grimacing over the F80 F82 having more hp, and newer

I dont understand what you are saying. The f80 m3 will have more hp than the f10 m5?

If you meant my current car vs the new m3 - not really. When my current car has suspension upgrades, bbk, seats with cage and gutted, guaranteed its going to be a whole lot of fun at the track esp with the na v8. But yes i would still want an m4 for dd and occasional track day just for fun. My motto if you dont understand by now is that the m3 series is a much more precise and sporty car than the big executive saloon m5.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

When my current car has suspension upgrades, bbk, seats with cage and gutted, guaranteed its going to be ...

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by bm323

Yeah its still in new car mode and is my double duty car. Still plenty fun right now!! So i cant have safety issues with putting a cage and bucket seats and having airbags turned off. You should actually try it sometime

Have to admit though that there is nothing more glorious than the noises this thing makes. Just so damn fun. Just like my s'2k did with its high revving and how all the high revving na cars sound. Gt3, ferraris, etc. cant be that engine noise.

[mlovernotafighter]

Back to the original post topic....I like your moxie sir! but my friends have this to say...

[SaMaster14]

My dad has a '13 SL550 (V8 Bi-turbo, 429hp, 516lb/ft).

I drove both back to back. The new gen SL is lighter and still has a ton of torque and hp, so I assume it is still faster than the old SL600 V12... could be totally wrong here tho

The car is fast and has tons of torque, but the gear box is sluggish and the car feels lazy. It's a GT cruiser. The M3 is faster and more responsive in every way! I've never driven an SL63 AMG or the SL65 V12 AMG... I can assume those might be faster in a straight line... but the car is still a boat around corners


(Also, I haven't read through all 5 pages... just thought I would share my experience).

[Powerslide]

This was possibly the biggest thread bump ever....