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      09-15-2020, 08:46 PM   #177
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The VR30DDTT is an expensive motor to produce
I definitely don't disagree with that, but the platform sharing Q50 starts at $36k with the VR30DDTT
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      09-15-2020, 08:52 PM   #178
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The VR30DDTT is an expensive motor to produce
I definitely don't disagree with that, but the platform sharing Q50 starts at $36k with the VR30DDTT
I believe its using the Red Sport's tune (to make it a 400Z) as well as suspension and braking components. That model starts at $55k in the Infiniti range. Maybe they will release a lower tier model to compete with the 2.0 Supra? :
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      09-15-2020, 09:00 PM   #179
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Love the rear end. Reminds me of my old 240s
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Love the rear end. Reminds me of my old 240s
It looks like it's sized for the old 240Z, stuck to a much bigger front 2/3rds. I thought the Mk4 Supra was a low point for design by committee appearances, but this moves it even further.
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I believe its using the Red Sport's tune (to make it a 400Z) as well as suspension and braking components. That model starts at $55k in the Infiniti range. Maybe they will release a lower tier model to compete with the 2.0 Supra? :
I was under the impression it would have both 300hp and 400hp variants so I must have missed that. Considering there are very little hardware differences between the two variants (turbo speed sensors, larger heat exchanger, and dual water pumps), I don't see why they wouldn't have both.

With all the criticism of the Q60's suspension, I would hope they do not go that route
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I believe its using the Red Sport's tune (to make it a 400Z) as well as suspension and braking components. That model starts at $55k in the Infiniti range. Maybe they will release a lower tier model to compete with the 2.0 Supra? :
I was under the impression it would have both 300hp and 400hp variants so I must have missed that. Considering there are very little hardware differences between the two variants (turbo speed sensors, larger heat exchanger, and dual water pumps), I don't see why they wouldn't have both.

With all the criticism of the Q60's suspension, I would hope they do not go that route
Agree, the new Q50 is awful compared to its G predecessor. That's one of the reasons I still will await judgement of this car until I drive it. Nissan has been a complete s**tshow for the past couple of years so I don't trust them to make a good car again just yet.
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I was under the impression it would have both 300hp and 400hp variants so I must have missed that. Considering there are very little hardware differences between the two variants (turbo speed sensors, larger heat exchanger, and dual water pumps), I don't see why they wouldn't have both.

With all the criticism of the Q60's suspension, I would hope they do not go that route

I hope they offer it with the 300HP VR30DDTT with a 6MT for 40k
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      09-15-2020, 09:22 PM   #186
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I've owned a 90 300zx and 370z Nismo (first gen version) and was excited for the next gen Z.

It doesn't look bad.....but I agree, that front grill needs reshaping. The rear I think is missing a small lip spoiler or something. I don't understand Nissan and Toyota's two tone roof and body color scheme they do but I prefer a single color through out.

The biggest upgrade is the interior dash and Twin Turbo engine! Although knowing Nissan the interior will look dated next year 🤣.

Hopefully the Nismo varient will look more aggressive.
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      09-15-2020, 09:26 PM   #187
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Yeah, its great looking to me. The front grille is the worst part.

Jalopnik commenter Crankaholic came up with this, which i think looks better.



https://jalopnik.com/1845071131
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Agree, the new Q50 is awful compared to its G predecessor. That's one of the reasons I still will await judgement of this car until I drive it. Nissan has been a complete s**tshow for the past couple of years so I don't trust them to make a good car again just yet.
Perhaps I am assuming this car would be so much cheaper than $40k is that I think they should use the same suspension and steering from the 370z. Not only is it cheaper since it already exists, but is it far superior to the newer Q50/Q60 components and hydraulic steering would be another advantage over the Supra. There is no need to fix what isn't broken.

I personally could not imagine a sports car with the Q50 steering and suspension. I drove one coming from a G37 and could not believe how play-doh-like everything felt, except for the engine which was the weak point of the G37 IMO.

VR30 and literal everything else from a 370z would be perfect in my eyes
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      09-15-2020, 09:36 PM   #189
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I like the rear and side profile. The front is a bit boring they need to spice it up a bit. But dang that seat bottom bulge and those seat adjustment knobs look unchanged from my 2007 350z lol.

I know Nissan is doing the best with what they have but hopefully they don’t overprice this. I’m hoping for the 400hp 6MT version to start below $45k
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Front end looks like a skeleton. Rest of the car looks great.

Interior looks too similar to the 12 year old current model. Materials looks typical Nissan.
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Love the rear end. Reminds me of my old 240s
THIS!!!! that front is atrocious though hopefully they change it up.
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It doesn't look terrible but I just don't get that rectangular grille. Looks like an unfinished front end. It just looks thoroughly average inside and out.
Exactly what I thought when I saw the pics.
I don’t think that design’s going to age well.
Wishful thinking, but hopefully they tweak those details before launch.
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At first I was thinking the Supra would have to worry. After seeing these pics I no longer think that at all. The design is pretty bland IMO. Front looks unfinished and boring, the sides remind me of a Miata for some reason (which isn't a bad thing, just not very unique), and the rear struck me as very Mustang (so not differentiated again). The design feels pretty emotionless IMO, vs the Supra has an abundance of it. The 350/370Z and G35 looked great, and even the current Q60 looks great. This but this new Z is pretty sterile and stone cold in comparison.
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No fake vents and a real MT
Already a win in my book
It being an actual JDM car is a plus as well
At least it's an honest car
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Already a win in my book
It being an actual JDM car is a plus as well
At least it's an honest car
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These are all really bad. It's not the abomination that the Supra is, but it's like 80-90% the same as the last model as far as lines. Obviously, they think they have a 911 here. The Supra at least dared to go somewhere else. Not sure exactly where that was, but all of this seems to be pretty confused. The 350 kind of had some throwback 1930s aero/gothic design elements that were interesting, but they tried to keep that going with the 370 and that just didn't work. They peaked with the 300ZX.
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