[JSpira]

In my view something had to be done with the labels since they didn't have the ability to address fuel economy for EVs in a meaningful way, but the jury is still out on the new labels (announced today).

What do you think?

New Cars to Get New Fuel Economy Labels
By Paul Riegler

Starting with 2013 model year vehicles, all new cars will come with labels that rate the vehicle from 1 to 10 on fuel economy and smog pollution and provide a five-year estimate of fuel costs compared to an average vehicle in the same class.


The new labels will continue to include miles per gallon and electric-equivalent ratings. They will favor hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and electric vehicles, which will be the only vehicles getting the top score (all 10s) under the new system. Diesels should fare well on fuel economy, according to EPA estimates, but may not do so well on the smog rating.
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[Thud]

I like the "gallons per 100 miles" number which makes more sense for comparison shopping.

I hate the "you'll save $9600" part. It just seems to assume that fuel costs never ever change over the next 5 years and will be very misleading.

[Never-Enough]

Just another useless thing for the stupid people in America.

[MisterSkiMask]

How do they calculate the cost of electricity? Blanket assumptions are unfair.

Why are they allowed to assume there is no environmental impact to producing electricity?

More bull sh*t from retards in Washington.

Can the government do anything right anymore?

[MisterSkiMask]

It is such bull sh*t that they are allowed to mandate these sensational headlines, and then use fine print to admit that they don't really tell the whole story.

[WWM3]

Just another thing to confuse already confused car shoppers.

[gary88]

Originally Posted by Never-Enough

Just another useless thing for the stupid people in America.

+1

[The Cleaner]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

How do they calculate the cost of electricity? Blanket assumptions are unfair.

Why are they allowed to assume there is no environmental impact to producing electricity?

More bull sh*t from retards in Washington.

Can the government do anything right anymore?

Yep,

Producing Electricity and batteries is far more damaging than a modern Internal combustion engine. Most green products are "feel good" items that are no better than existing tech.

[cotmfk]

Ehh... if it gets more people to buy more fuel efficient cars, which then makes gas cheaper for me, then I am okay with it.

I remember the bumper sticker I saw on a Mustang: "Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!"

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

Ehh... if it gets more people to buy more fuel efficient cars, which then makes gas cheaper for me, then I am okay with it.

I remember the bumper sticker I saw on a Mustang: "Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!"

That won't happen, if demand goes down the oil companies will just reduce the supply and raise prices to protect their profits.

[JSpira]

I suspect the new labels will raise overall awareness around fuel economy so that should help people make more intelligent car buyin choices.

[Slamaster1261]

Originally Posted by Never-Enough

Just another useless thing for the stupid people in America.

Haha I love it and agree

[mundo74]

Why all the hate for the EPA. Sure everything can be improved.

A. What kind of label would you create if you had the job to do it

B. Would you rather have no label and have the " dumb" Americans figure it out when they get raped at the pump

C. Everyone knows electricity is not free. That is not the point. Some people and yes some in govt rightly plan for Years ahead when all the cheap oil is depleted. And dont give me the us has all the oil it needs crap, if that was the case oil would be $20 per barrel ( even so it trades on the intl market) .Electricity is almost produced exclusively from USA sources and the prices have been stable because of that.

[JSpira]

Of course, the new labels will bring up a new question, namely "what do they mean by "miles per 100 gallons." Even though this is straight forward, it's not a convention used anywhere. Bringin in l/100 km would have made more sense

[CAPSGOD]

I prefer 2 numbers

[NiVeDh]

Reminds me of the labels on appliances.

[Desert_Fox]

The electric car sticker in particular is misleading. My dad works for the local utility down here in San Diego, and I believe he did the math and found out it cost more to charge a Tesla Roadster fully than it would to fill it up with 14 gallons of Gasoline (This was before gas prices went up earlier this year).

[John 070]

Amazing what has to be done simply because of the low math level we have in this country. Seeing as they only test a very small number of cars each year, they can rip that sticker right off the window and toss it in the garbage.

[ChasVS]

Go figure how much more the vehicle costs because of the labeling requirement! Socialist BS with the cost comparisons. particularly the Electric vehicle BS. Yes, we all know that electricity is CHEAP and never goes up in costs, right?

[ChasVS]

Originally Posted by Desert_Fox

The electric car sticker in particular is misleading. My dad works for the local utility down here in San Diego, and I believe he did the math and found out it cost more to charge a Tesla Roadster fully than it would to fill it up with 14 gallons of Gasoline (This was before gas prices went up earlier this year).

That's WHY gas prices went up! The government needs to make gas too expensive to afford, then their "alternatives" look like a better buy! Socialist engineering. It's Anti-American and must STOP!

[John 070]

Originally Posted by ChasVS

That's WHY gas prices went up! The government needs to make gas too expensive to afford, then their "alternatives" look like a better buy! Socialist engineering. It's Anti-American and must STOP!

And to think this label c*** would get posted on Memorial Day weekend!

[ChasVS]

Originally Posted by mundo74

Why all the hate for the EPA. Sure everything can be improved.

A. What kind of label would you create if you had the job to do it

B. Would you rather have no label and have the " dumb" Americans figure it out when they get raped at the pump

C. Everyone knows electricity is not free. That is not the point. Some people and yes some in govt rightly plan for Years ahead when all the cheap oil is depleted. And dont give me the us has all the oil it needs crap, if that was the case oil would be $20 per barrel ( even so it trades on the intl market) .Electricity is almost produced exclusively from USA sources and the prices have been stable because of that.

So, you're the only smart American? Have a bit more respect for your fellow citizens. It's those who have become fully dependent on the Government who are the "Stupid" ones. We all knew how much mileage a car got long before the EPA existed. The car companies and automotive magazines, etc. all compared performance, mileage, etc. We don't need a regulatory agency to tell us something this basic.

Your BS about oil shows you have drunk the liberal koolaide, so this reply isn't going to change the mush in your head, but it must be said! We have the oil, we are RESTRICTED from getting to it by the same Socialist Government who WANTS the prices high! I know your brain can't process that TRUTH, so I'll leave it there...