[SGL]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Need to get official clarification since the official specs released in Oct say 19x10. Anyone check the other country price guides?

The Canadian guide shows 19x10 so hopefully it was just a mistake. BMW needs to proof read their stuff!

[julio91]

Originally Posted by XRAVE

Your looking at around 800 a month with 0 due at singing. I've spoken to three dealers, none of which are giving discount.

That's crazy man, might just wait alittle and see if the hype goes down.

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by SF_VR6

Without a carbon fibre roof, a bit of the soul of an M seems missing.

With all due respect, the carbon roof thing only started happening with the E9X M3...there are a lot of M cars with sufficient M soul that don't have carbon fiber roofs. For most of us, a carbon fiber roof is a cosmetic enhancement and a marketing opportunity for BMW. But, certainly I'll take one over a moon roof when offered.

[PodDoc]

Originally Posted by chaungo

You underestimate canadian winters.

Winter tires on a RWD car is USELESS where I live. People get stuck all the time, and the only vehicles on the road are trucks, SUV, subarus/mistubishi, Audis and BMW xi.

Different areas, different situations. I've seen a C63 fight for traction with winters, before he pulled over to the side and gave up.

Not sure how bad canadian winters are. I'm in chicago and we get our fair share of snow. I have a F30 328 xdrive with all seasons and an F80 M3 with studless ice and snow. My M3 has had no trouble at all getting around so far, even through some areas where SUV's with all seasons were getting stuck. It felt even more safe than my 328.

So i have to disagree that winter tires are useless. Although, i have to say there is a big difference with performance winters vs studless ice/snow winter tires. AWD helps but if it snows thats much that my studless tires cant make it through, its not because of the tire. The issues at this point would be ground clearance.

[twboy1999]

Winter tires are definity useful

I have gone out in a foot of snow by purpose to test out my m3 with snows.
Perfectly fine with proper tires

[Bmwhocr]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

All very good points indeed, and the 1M does have a better looking rear. I'd probably hold onto it for now too.

Indeed, valid points. Agree in holding onto the 1M if you got it! The rest of us just have to settle for the lowly M2.

[StockLOL]

Originally Posted by ScottGregory

The Canadian guide shows 19x10 so hopefully it was just a mistake. BMW needs to proof read their stuff!

Yea I saw 19x10 rear wheels multiple times in the lead up to the debut! Rear wheels definitely look to be more concave than the fronts so Im thinking its just an error and they are indeed 10" wide out back.

[Bmwhocr]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

including POWER seats.. Headroom is gonna be an issue for some

Hrmmm..possibly if you are tall and track a lot.
Guess moon roof delete isn't an option?

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by fuddman

That's because the US cars get the carbon fiber roof.

I think there is no CF roof and no Sunroof either....

If there's CF roof I'd be able to swallow the lack of a sunroof a little better.... But nooe

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

Wow. So disrespectful. Not that it matters, but I "can afford this car" and then some. I live in FL. I don't need a heated steering wheel and I don't want the other items in the package. I am not "bitching". I simply don't want to pay for something that I am not going to use. Have a great night.

Let's not also forget that all of that executive pack bullshit adds weight to the "purist M car" available. If manual seats were a $500 option, I'd pay for them. As for some people who are disappointed because a moonroof isn't an option.....I'll keep my mouth shut. No rear view camera? Try turning your head around and looking through the glass.

BSM or MG, 6MT, alcantara covered M wheel, done.

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

Let's not also forget that all of that executive pack bullshit adds weight to the "purist M car" available. If manual seats were a $500 option, I'd pay for them. As for some people who are disappointed because a moonroof isn't an option.....I'll keep my mouth shut. No rear view camera? Try turning your head around and looking through the glass.

BSM or MG, 6MT, alcantara covered M wheel, done.

Purist and M car shouldn't even belong in the same sentence. 4 seats, a huge trunk, some 3500lb vehicle isn't purist. A base Cayman/S (987 or 981), or better yet, a Lotus Elise/Exige is much more of a purist vehicle. Not to mention an Ariel Atom, Caterham, etc. All within this ballpark price range, if not even go faster for even less $.

M is the trackable version of the DD sibling (235i in this case). Should at least have everything the 235i has and some more. Look at the M3/4 vs 3/4 series, or M5/6 vs 5/6 series. M is no compromise in those cases. Better leather, moonroof or CF as long as u r willing to fork the cash. If I want to be punished in my daily drive there are much much better alternatives that isn't a 3500lb piece of pork.

BMW is Luxury Sport. Luxury should at least be an option.

[Fraggy]

No HUD???? Almost a deal breaker...

[bubsterino]

Originally Posted by BiscottiGelato

My guess is they killed the option to streamline the SKU. Total deal breaker here.

really? why is that so vital to you?

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by XRAVE

Your looking at around 800 a month with 0 due at singing. I've spoken to three dealers, none of which are giving discount.

Really? Might as well go with the m3 then. I was thinking around $675 a month.

[XRAVE]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Really? Might as well go with the m3 then. I was thinking around $675 a month.

Yea, 675 just is unrealistic at this point unless you put a large amount down, like 5000. This also assumes that your getting a 53,000 MSRP M2 and the dealership isn't marketing it up. Also assumes its takes the high residuals of the 235i.

The 1M was leasing for like 1000 a month with 0 down. M3 at this point is going to get you a lot more value, even an M4.

[TheRickster]

I'm gonna predict these to sell at pretty much sticker price, so although it seems like you're upgrading an m235i to an m2 for not much more, the discounts on the m235 are going to be far heavier. I wonder what the price difference will be between one of these and a discounted base m3/m4??

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by XRAVE

Yea, 675 just is unrealistic at this point unless you put a large amount down, like 5000. This also assumes that your getting a 53,000 MSRP M2 and the dealership isn't marketing it up. Also assumes its takes the high residuals of the 235i.

The 1M was leasing for like 1000 a month with 0 down. M3 at this point is going to get you a lot more value, even an M4.

There is no reason to assume the residuals will be one way or another. The 1m was low, sure. But the car retained its value at near 100%. Obviously they can't use that number, but standard reasoning would say it could be a higher number than before.

Either way, buy or lease, with so few numbers produced, you could drive a great car for three years and sell it for way more than your typical car would be worth at that point. If they lease at a 50% residual, just buy it out at lease end and pocket the cash from the sale. What other lease lets you make $10-20k. It would be like you drove the car for free or 50% off after rebate. Just make sure you don't crash it :P

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by bubsterino

really? why is that so vital to you?

Never knew this post is about me. I thought it's about the M2 US Pricing Guide, what option is and isn't on the M2 and their respective prices.

[XRAVE]

Originally Posted by TheRickster

I'm gonna predict these to sell at pretty much sticker price, so although it seems like you're upgrading an m235i to an m2 for not much more, the discounts on the m235 are going to be far heavier. I wonder what the price difference will be between one of these and a discounted base m3/m4??

Base m3 lease would be cheaper than an M2 with no discount

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

There is no reason to assume the residuals will be one way or another. The 1m was low, sure. But the car retained its value at near 100%. Obviously they can't use that number, but standard reasoning would say it could be a higher number than before.

Either way, buy or lease, with so few numbers produced, you could drive a great car for three years and sell it for way more than your typical car would be worth at that point. If they lease at a 50% residual, just buy it out at lease end and pocket the cash from the sale. What other lease lets you make $10-20k. It would be like you drove the car for free or 50% off after rebate. Just make sure you don't crash it :P

The only reason I assumed a 59% residual is back with the 1M, it was 1% lower than the 135i. Now the the 235i is at 60% so 1% less is 59%. Your also right, chances are lease end this car will be worth more than the buyout.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by XRAVE

Base m3 lease would be cheaper than an M2 with no discount

The only reason I assumed a 59% residual is back with the 1M, it was 1% lower than the 135i. Now the the 235i is at 60% so 1% less is 59%. Your also right, chances are lease end this car will be worth more than the buyout.

It's all just money now or money later at the end of the day. If it's worth less your lease was artificially low and you win. Worth more and it's money in your pocket at the back end. I didn't run the numbers but worth under buyout could be better bc you wouldn't pay interest on the gap and could buy at lease end for under buyout if you negotiate it. Worth more you paid interest on mkney you didn't really use if that makes sense.

[JTO24]

I may have missed it but the US order guide says the wheels are 19x9" front and rear? I thought the rears were 19x10" according to the press release sticky.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

It's all just money now or money later at the end of the day. If it's worth less your lease was artificially low and you win. Worth more and it's money in your pocket at the back end. I didn't run the numbers but worth under buyout could be better bc you wouldn't pay interest on the gap and could buy at lease end for under buyout if you negotiate it. Worth more you paid interest on mkney you didn't really use if that makes sense.

Yeah but lease offers protection for that additional rent fee and tax. Crash the car, it won't be your upside down mess. Apples to apples though, standard finance would be better right now with low interest rates vs leasing with the hope of a 10-20k "profit" at lease end. And if supply and demand even out, then it was like you leased an Audi (residually speaking) Your car will still be worth more than you owe to buy out. Just not as much as you might hope.