Beltronics STiR / AL Priority Custom Installation Radar Detector/Laser Jammer

[elbweb]

Originally Posted by 03Saleen

What mirror did you buy for the M4

They modified the stock mirror; I didn't buy a new one.

Originally Posted by 03Saleen

what do you do for rear radar protection?

There are two of the AntiLaser Priority sensors in the rear, to the left and right of the license plate.

[03Saleen]

Originally Posted by elbweb

They modified the stock mirror; I didn't buy a new one.



There are two of the AntiLaser Priority sensors in the rear, to the left and right of the license plate.

I saw the laser jammers do they also do radar?

[elbweb]

Originally Posted by 03Saleen

I saw the laser jammers do they also do radar?

Yes. The main display in the rear view mirror is the radar detector. The led at the top left is the one for the laser jammer. There is a lot more info from my first post in this thread, along with all the pictures...

You can see the radar detector that was installed, here:

Originally Posted by elbweb

[KeepRightPassLeft]

Originally Posted by BEMR

This guy pretty much says it's all taken from text I believe in, and Law enforcement officers I personally know....

I've been using radar detectors since the 1970s, and got my first radar-laser combo detector in 1992. I got my first one at Radio Shack and it worked fine...and I'm sure it paid for itself many times over by tipping me off to the existence of police radar and giving me time to check (and adjust if necessary) my speed. I still use an Escort Passport Solo 4 and even after learning what I'm about to share with you in this special report, I'll still continue to use my radar/laser detector.

The newer laser technology is pretty good (from the law enforcement perspective) and pretty tough to "beat" them...thanks to some help from the best and brightest Fort Worth P.D. has to offer, one thing has become painfully clear: No matter how good you think your reactions are, you're no match for today's speed limit enforcement technology. We tested some of the best detectors available on the market today and frankly, it doesn't matter how much you spend, you're dead meat. The more expensive detectors have some additional bells-and-whistles, but the fact remains: Even if you had reflexes like an NHL-caliber goalie, you're no match for today's radar/laser technology. Why? Read on...

Static vs. Trigger Radar Guns

When I mentioned the fact that I'll continue to use my radar/laser detector, I'm not doing so because I'm trying to delude myself into thinking I've gotta chance in the cat-and-mouse game of speeding without getting caught. Most of the radar I encounter is on I-30 between Dallas and Fort Worth, and my detector goes off when the police are popping speeders with their "gun" radar units...I'm lucky enough in most cases to be going slow enough, and not be driving in the far-left lane and I usually avoid the pink slip. When my detector goes off, usually it's someone else getting the ticket in front of me.

But more and more law enforcement agencies are using "gun" radar units. They're off until the cop pulls the trigger and it suddenly sends a burst of radar waves out that send your detectors screaming off of your dashboards. If you're in the wrong place or going the fastest (in the eyes of the cops), you lose. Hearing the radar detector react to these bursts gives you a chance to slow down and hopefully avoid an expensive day in court. Older law enforcement agencies will use the static radar units that you can pick-up in plenty of time to adjust your speed. Maybe.

Bottom line? Today's radar detectors that I personally tested at the Texas Motor Speedway for this story all worked...just too late. The detectors all went off about the same time/distance from the police officers operating them. The problem? The cops had us "locked in" anywhere from .5 to 1.0 seconds before the detectors went off in the car. You're busted!

Laser "Guns" = Instant Tickets

I've gotten my share of tickets as a result of police officers' using laser guns to detect my speed. A word to the wise: If you own a laser detector (most detectors sold today are "combination" units that detect both radar and laser) and the "laser portion" of your detector goes off? Take my advice...slow down, and get out your drivers license and insurance card, because you're dead meat. They've got you. It doesn't matter how quick or how hard you jam on your brakes--it's over. Get ready to put on a good face for the police officer you're about to be visited by.

"May I see your license please???"

The best piece of advice I can give you as you're about to roll down your window to greet the law enforcement official that's about to give you a ticket? Don't be an ass. Don't be disrespectful. And for God's sakes, don't be memorable! Memorable?

Are you a cop?

[BEMR]

Originally Posted by KeepRightPassLeft

Are you a cop?

No but many of my clients are and we have had this discussion on many occassions. Facts are not based on opinion, facts speak for themselves. What makes more sense to me would be a thread on "I was able to avoid a ticket today" from either my laser jammer or radar system. That would make more sense. I found this thread and have heard that alot has been written on factual circumstances relating to these products.

Usually the statements that come from the companies seem so compelling that you could only but believe there true, after all they are trying to sell a product. Case in point, Bose Speakers, they are one of the best marketed electronics products in the world, yet one of the crappiest. Why are they good you ask? because we believe they are, talk to any speaker engineer or designer you will understand those facts, another comparison, Apple IOS products, to date there has never been a better marketed product in the world, so good that Apple Fans would never even take the time to listen, to what in a short amount of time I could fact check and show you otherwise. The Apple IOS platform is usually between 2 to 5 years behind in technology, ask software engineers they will provide facts to that also. Just a side note here, GOOGLE this IOS 6+ vs Samsung Note 4. If you just do a side by side on just those two products, you will understand exactly what I am trying to say here, were not going to just tell you the product is good, we'll show you. You will wonder why so many people worldwide stood in line when they could have just compared their phone at the time to something else far different and far more advanced. And no, I don't work for Samsung either.

My mind changed on the Laser Jammer/Rader Detector years ago when I had a conversation with the owner of lets just say a nationally famous radar detector company, his comments were amazing, and of the most amazing was his comment on how useless the Laser Detector actually was. From a technical since he said, the laser is obviously a beam of light, different from a radio wave in the air, it travels in a thin narrow beam, the only way you would have the chance of detecting it, would to be if the actual beam was pointed into a very small area exactly of the unit affixed to your vehicle, nearly impossible, and even if you could detect it, it would be too late as my previous post mentioned. So all I am doing in this post is supporting the opposing side, save your money,for the most part useless.

[BEMR]

In my next post I will tell you how for those of you in CA, to beat a ticket, even radar and it works most of the time. Very clever but completely legal. 3 years ago in my M5 I had 3 moving violations in a 3 month period, and beat all three. One of the tickets was at 8am on a thursday morning in Palm Springs CA, it involved the smokiest burnout I had ever done in the M. Unfortunately 2 motor cops watched the whole thing, I actually beat that ticket. Maybe will do a thread on this in the near future.

[KeepRightPassLeft]

BEMR, 99% of the time, laser detection on a radar detector will not prevent you from getting a ticket. By the time your radar detector has alerted to laser, the LEO has already obtained your speed.

Because of FDA regulations and the costs incurred in the manufacture of police LIDAR guns, the laser beam emitted from the LIDAR gun is not a pencil thin beam. The laser beam has divergence, meaning as the light beam travels it gradually enlarges in both the vertical and horizontal planes. The average LIDAR beam is approximate three feet wide at a distance 1000 feet from the LIDAR gun. Some LIDAR guns are slightly more narrow at 30 inches and others are slightly wider at 42 inches. These width measurements are where 80% of the beam energy is located and is used for speed readings. The with of the beam does extend beyond these meausrements but do not contain enough density to result in the LIDAR gun displaying a speed reading. However, a good laser jammer can detect this outer layer of the beam as well as the useable part of laser beam and can use this information to produce a return that will not enable the LIDARS gun to get a reading. Laser Jammers do work. www.raletc.com

[Swancoat]

Agreed. Laser Jammers absolutely work. I've personally been to a 'shoot out' where various setups are tested against current LEO guns. A lot of these setups will "Jam-to-gun". As in you can be the only car on the road, and the cop can bang that laser off your front bumper right up until you pass him and not get a reading. Seen it done. Countless times. Absolutely avoided several 'sure' tickets on my own too. Best evidence that they work? State legislatures are actively trying to ban them.

As for radar - sure, if you're 'testing' your radar detector one on one against a gun you will NEVER win. Of course by the time it picks you up the cop is getting your speed at the exact same time. That being said, if that's how you think you use a detector, you're probably a moron. The idea is that there's other cars on the road, and as the cop is trying to catch other speeders, he's turning his gun on, and THAT is what you want to detect, so you can slow down before he turns the gun on you. And yes, this works too.

Now if it's a very empty highway, and you're the only car on the road, best to use your eyes, because yeah, radar detectors are not that useful in that situation.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by Swancoat

Best evidence that they work? State legislatures are actively trying to ban them.

While I absolutely agree that laser jammers work, using politicians as an example of anything is just wrong, because most politicians are just plain dumb

[BEMR]

Keep right good response, I'm not putting down the jammer portion, although illegal in California, I'm just saying the "notifying" portion of radar/laser is a useless investment, plenty of utube videos I'm sure display positive results that I've seen for jamming, but at my first post I mention jammers are probably cool.

[Swancoat]

Originally Posted by BEMR

Keep right good response, I'm not putting down the jammer portion, although illegal in California, I'm just saying the "notifying" portion of radar/laser is a useless investment, plenty of utube videos I'm sure display positive results that I've seen for jamming, but at my first post I mention jammers are probably cool.

That's just it though, it's NOT useless. Yes, if you're the only guy on the road and the cop flips on the radar, he's got you dead-to-rights. However, I've got to say I'm rarely the only guy on the road, and the cop is rarely just sitting there waiting for me to come buy. When they're looking for speeders, they are flipping it on and off regularly. When he tries to get that guy half a mile ahead of me, I hear it.

As for how often they use instant-on or what have you? Texas State Troopers run with the radar constantly on a LOT. Let me tell you, you see those guys coming literally a mile and half away.

Laser 'detecting' as opposed to jamming is probably useless though. You don't get an alert unless you're the one targeted.

[BEMR]

I'm starting to see the like of it all and the overall practical use, I may want the jammer now at least, but in CA it being illegal, does the guy with the jammer in CA stand a real easy chance of getting caught with it? Is that worth it, in other words risk/reward?

[elbweb]

Originally Posted by BEMR

I'm starting to see the like of it all and the overall practical use, I may want the jammer now at least, but in CA it being illegal, does the guy with the jammer in CA stand a real easy chance of getting caught with it? Is that worth it, in other words risk/reward?

I don't have any specifics as I haven't researched much (since where I'm at it's not illegal), but I've heard from a few people the fines for running laser jammers where they are illegal were small, and had no points versus your license. If I recall correctly, getting caught with them in South Carolina was a $150 fine and no possibility of points.

I could be wrong, though. I also don't know how/where to buy and get it installed, or what the legality of that is.

[BEMR]

Originally Posted by elbweb

I don't have any specifics as I haven't researched much (since where I'm at it's not illegal), but I've heard from a few people the fines for running laser jammers where they are illegal were small, and had no points versus your license. If I recall correctly, getting caught with them in South Carolina was a $150 fine and no possibility of points.

I could be wrong, though. I also don't know how/where to buy and get it installed, or what the legality of that is.

Will see if any thread response from those in CA, thanks. ps, went to SC on a BMW experience offer, fell in love with America's best kept secret SC bought 2nd home in Taylors, 6 years only able to go 9 times had to sell, awesome state!

[KeepRightPassLeft]

Originally Posted by BEMR

I'm starting to see the like of it all and the overall practical use, I may want the jammer now at least, but in CA it being illegal, does the guy with the jammer in CA stand a real easy chance of getting caught with it? Is that worth it, in other words risk/reward?

In CA it is a fixit ticket If you use the laser jammer correctly you have a very small risk of being caught

1. Get hit with LIDAR/ jammer alerts
2. Immediately slow down to speed limit/ turn off jammer

This should take 3 seconds start to finish.

[bgreen4544]

I got the mirror integration done but my rain sensor is now jacked up. Hud is dim and auto wipers keep going regardless if it's raining. Does the rain sensor need to be replaced or just re calibrated ?

[budpaul]

Did they hook up the radio mute cable for the beltronics stir plus?

[elbweb]

Originally Posted by bgreen4544

I got the mirror integration done but my rain sensor is now jacked up. Hud is dim and auto wipers keep going regardless if it's raining. Does the rain sensor need to be replaced or just re calibrated ?

I haven't had any issues with that. The only problem I've had is where the auto brightness of the STiR's display doesn't work within the mirror. The mirrors dimming and auto wipers work fine.

Originally Posted by budpaul

Did they hook up the radio mute cable for the beltronics stir plus?

No, there's no radio mute integration (for me at least).

[bgreen4544]

Originally Posted by elbweb

I haven't had any issues with that. The only problem I've had is where the auto brightness of the STiR's display doesn't work within the mirror. The mirrors dimming and auto wipers work fine.

No, there's no radio mute integration (for me at least).

Thx for the quick reply. I'm thinking either the sensor didn't get Hooked back up or it died

[BD SM3RF]

Originally Posted by BEMR

Usually the statements that come from the companies seem so compelling that you could only but believe there true, after all they are trying to sell a product. Case in point, Bose Speakers, they are one of the best marketed electronics products in the world, yet one of the crappiest. Why are they good you ask? because we believe they are, talk to any speaker engineer or designer you will understand those facts, another comparison, Apple IOS products, to date there has never been a better marketed product in the world, so good that Apple Fans would never even take the time to listen, to what in a short amount of time I could fact check and show you otherwise. The Apple IOS platform is usually between 2 to 5 years behind in technology, ask software engineers they will provide facts to that also. Just a side note here, GOOGLE this IOS 6+ vs Samsung Note 4. If you just do a side by side on just those two products, you will understand exactly what I am trying to say here, were not going to just tell you the product is good, we'll show you. You will wonder why so many people worldwide stood in line when they could have just compared their phone at the time to something else far different and far more advanced. And no, I don't work for Samsung either.

My mind changed on the Laser Jammer/Rader Detector years ago when I had a conversation with the owner of lets just say a nationally famous radar detector company, his comments were amazing, and of the most amazing was his comment on how useless the Laser Detector actually was. From a technical since he said, the laser is obviously a beam of light, different from a radio wave in the air, it travels in a thin narrow beam, the only way you would have the chance of detecting it, would to be if the actual beam was pointed into a very small area exactly of the unit affixed to your vehicle, nearly impossible, and even if you could detect it, it would be too late as my previous post mentioned. So all I am doing in this post is supporting the opposing side, save your money,for the most part useless.

You lost me with your Bose/Apple examples which only serve to weaken what could have been a stronger argument. Talk about marketing. Here we are with the Note 4 and its Quad Core, faster processor that just can't keep up with the iPhone with its slower processor and Dual Core running geek bench 3. I would say there is just as much hype about Samsung's half baked features, inferior software/hardware optimization/engineering etc... 2 to 5 years behind?! Apple moved to 64bit arch for over a year ago with iPhone 5s and competitors initially didn't even believe it was real and now struggle to catch up.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/...-to-apples-a8-

Samsung builds some great (very popular) devices but most of it market share is in the low cost low profit business. Where some are accused off Apple fanboy status you may suffer what is called Apple derangement syndrome Don't kid yourself, Apple leads the way. They are frequently not the first to the game in terms of the latest specs and features but once they do make a move its generally on point with only a few missteps that are covered in the media as if it were akin to world hunger. Samsung should be thanking Apple daily for having waited so long in releasing large screen phones (the primary feature that drove may customers their way). Apple and Samsung's next earnings release will be quite telling.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by ecleland

Don't kid yourself, Apple leads the way.

In what, mediocre products?

Or perhaps fanboyism.

Either way, Apple certainly doesn't lead the way in technological innovation or cutting edge products, but they do a damn good job of marketing.

Oh, I'm sorry, you probably can't hear us over the awesomeness of your Beats headphones playing your iPod, right?

[BD SM3RF]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

In what, mediocre products?

Or perhaps fanboyism.

Either way, Apple certainly doesn't lead the way in technological innovation or cutting edge products, but they do a damn good job of marketing.

Oh, I'm sorry, you probably can't hear us over the awesomeness of your Beats headphones playing your iPod, right?

You can argue with success all you want. Doesn't change reality. Apple rakes in the lions share of the profits and you can pull a "Gruber" and chalk it up to the stupidity of the American consumer all you want. Gruber and his kind are the real idiots. People know what they like and buy it freely. Hater gonna hate... After many years as a Sony Microsoft guy I made the switch to Apple nearly 10 years ago and they haven't lost me yet. Not saying they can't or won't but from where I sit they lead the way (not on every count) but on enough counts to keep my frequent business. Thankfully we live in a world of choices which forces competition. Now let me get back to my iPhone 6 plus with 64 bit processor developed by Apple not purchased off the shelf from Qualcomm like some smartphone manufacturers who don't have the same software/hardware integration expertise of Apple . You'd think since Samsung manufactures Apples processors they would be able to copy it a little faster.... Oh and by the way megapixels and screen size are not innovation.