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      07-13-2019, 03:45 PM   #661
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Something like this (Thanks Paul. If only they'd listened):
..basically an M3 with cramped interior and perhaps marginally lighter. The F22 is heavily based on the F30, after all.
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..basically an M3 with cramped interior and perhaps marginally lighter. The F22 is heavily based on the F30, after all.
if the E30, E36, E46, and E90 were all " sedans with cramped interiors and perhaps marginally lighter.. " then FUCK YEAH this is what (many - not all- people ) still want.

If I wanted a3 series the size of an E39 5 series.. I would have bought an E39 when they were made. Or I could still get one today.

Some of us PREFER " cramped interiors and perhaps marginally lighter"

Over the last 30 years, I have owned five BMWs, ( 2 E30 M3, one E46 M3 vert, , 2 other E46 convertibles and an E84 X1...) a Subaru Legacy sedan, and two 1990s era Honda Accord coupes. NONE OF THESE CARS IS THE SIZE OF AN F30 3er OR E39 5er.

When I have needed seating room for more than 4, or large/long doors, I have owned two different generation Ford Expeditions for that. So.. BMW go right ahead and make an X7 if you want to try and get my money for a big SUV>.. ... but they are losing money by not making a compact sedan as they did for a couple of decades from the mid 1980s to early the middle 2010s when the E90 ended production). Since I have owned a HELLUVA lot more compact sedans than Large SUV.... and since I have NEVER PURCHASED AN E39 sized vehicle to date... it sure seems to me that BMW no longer has vehicles that I will be interested in very soon.

I am sure I am not the only person in this dilemma.. and BMW is simply leaving market share on the table.

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      07-13-2019, 04:48 PM   #663
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..basically an M3 with cramped interior and perhaps marginally lighter. The F22 is heavily based on the F30, after all.
if the E30, E36, E46, and E90 were all " sedans with cramped interiors and perhaps marginally lighter.. " then FUCK YEAH this is what (many - not all- people ) still want.

If I wanted a3 series the size of an E39 5 series.. I would have bought an E39 when they were made. Or I could still get one today.

Some of us PREFER " cramped interiors and perhaps marginally lighter"

I have owned 2 E30 M3, one E46 M3, 2 E46 convertibles and an X1...

When I have needed seating room for more than 4 or large/long doors, I have owned two different generation Ford Expeditions for that. So.. BMW go right ahead and make an X7 if you want to try and get my money... but they are losing money by not making a compact sedan as they did for a couple of decades from the mid 1980s to early the middle 2010s when the E90 ended production).
Its days like these where I miss my 330i so deeply. The hydraulic steering, lighter weight, gorgeous timeless design and 6-speed manual all made one amazing vehicle that truly was peak BMW, and something we will likely never see again.

The closest car I would say to that is probably the M240i and M2/M2 Competition but sadly they lack 4 doors.
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      07-13-2019, 09:47 PM   #664
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Well who is making fun light weight RWD and perhaps 6 speed manual these days? Alfa Romeo?
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      07-13-2019, 11:06 PM   #665
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Well who is making fun light weight RWD and perhaps 6 speed manual these days? Alfa Romeo?
Just because no one else is doing it now, doesn't mean we can't miss what was available in the not so distant past.

I hate heavy cars. I have an arbitrary max of 3,200 pounds and it has to have a manual. I'll accept fwd or awd if rwd with those traits isn't available. I'm 6'2" and daily a GTI with a kid in it. I hated every second of driving the barge sized F30 we had and haven't missed a single element of that car. The even larger G20 holds absolutely no appeal to me, just as every previous 5er and 7er have just never shown up on my personal desire-o-meter.

Big cars have their place, just not in my garage (or at least my side of it.) I have no desire to make a coupe work, and the lack of rear windows that roll down for my dog is a second knock on the M2C for my purposes. There are no current BMW's that raise my eyebrows even a little. Quite the change from when I had an M Coupe, 135i and E36 M3 in the garage and strongly considered adding the first Mini-E to that. I can't really see a BMW or Mini product bringing me back now.
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3200 lb 4 door, your requirement is rare indeed in these days
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      07-14-2019, 11:20 AM   #667
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They get rid of the 6er/M6 Gran Coupé only to introduce a Gran Coupé model to every other even numbered Series in the lineup.

Makes sense BMW, makes sense.
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Maybe they will re introduce 6 series to compete with E coupe?
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      07-14-2019, 01:47 PM   #669
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They get rid of the 6er/M6 Gran Coupé only to introduce a Gran Coupé model to every other even numbered Series in the lineup.

Makes sense BMW, makes sense.
All they’ve done with the old 6 Series models is rename them to the 8 Series. The market isn’t big enough to require four different sizes of coupes, convertibles, and four door coupe models.
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Maybe they will re introduce 6 series to compete with E coupe?
I would love a BMW coupe w/ no B pillars (like the original 8 series), the S and E coupes look so good w/ the windows down.
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3200 lb 4 door, your requirement is rare indeed in these days
Civic SI is there, especially if you don’t care about FWD.

It’s a pretty fun car. Main drawbacks are rev hang and the looks.
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Will wait for camo to come completely off but from what I see so far... What about this is uniquely BMW? What sets it apart, like so many before?

...Besides the badge?
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      07-15-2019, 09:12 AM   #673
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3200 lb 4 door, your requirement is rare indeed in these days
Civic SI is there, especially if you don’t care about FWD.

It’s a pretty fun car. Main drawbacks are rev hang and the looks.
Agreed. Very nice drive. Suspension and transmission are much better than my GTI, but it's F30 large and styling is, uh, challenged.
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      07-15-2019, 11:59 AM   #674
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sorry but you make no sense at all bmw offers flat bottom steering wheels as a performance option.
Also the steering is so responsive you dont even have to turn the steering past 9 and 3 o clock
Say what you want but this low level C class benz has a better looking interior then all the new bmw's in my opinion besides the m850 as now they are taking notes from mercedes. hah
This right here is the closest thing BMW offers to a flat-bottom wheel and it's still more of a slightly squished circle shape rather than a true flat-bottom shape. It's optional as well and does not come as standard equipment, so they are not selling the car by using gimmicks. Porsche also understands the practicality of a round wheel as I don't believe any of their standard production cars use a flat-bottom wheel. Different strokes for different folks, I guess, but clearly MB is betting on people who like that gimmicky, tasteless interior space and not people who appreciate a functional, timeless interior space that caters to the driving enthusiast. Just my 2 cents.
your absolutely right funny though because mercedes is supposed to be classic but there interiors feel like a spaceship at night.
I would take my steering wheels flat bottom but i am not used to it so when turning it more than 45 degrees it does take some getting used to.
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Just curious as I'm seeing these spy shots now, and also seeing the excitement for a 2er GC for the first time...

I wanted to know why do you guys like it, what's the appeal behind it? For me, I can't help but look at this like another X4 or X2... I feel that the essence of the 2er was lightweight and compact, low, and simple, if you wanted bigger size or 4 doors the 3er is perfect. I imagine the 2er GC would be such a horrible compromise between the two.

What are your thoughts?
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Just curious as I'm seeing these spy shots now, and also seeing the excitement for a 2er GC for the first time...

I wanted to know why do you guys like it, what's the appeal behind it? For me, I can't help but look at this like another X4 or X2... I feel that the essence of the 2er was lightweight and compact, low, and simple, if you wanted bigger size or 4 doors the 3er is perfect. I imagine the 2er GC would be such a horrible compromise between the two.

What are your thoughts?
2GC is simply made for profits and expanding the brand's cliental. It is essentially a competitor for the A3 and A/CLA Class, all of which serve a similar purpose, by offering a lower priced vehicle for those who don't care about cars but just want to be seen with 4 rings, the 3 pointed star or kidney grills, its all about image. Most buyers of the 2GC will likely not know what engine they have under the hood, and won't know that their car is FWD, or even what that means. Hell I remember BMW said back in the day that over 60% of 1 series owners had no idea that their car was RWD.
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Civic SI is there, especially if you don’t care about FWD.

It’s a pretty fun car. Main drawbacks are rev hang and the looks.
Civic SI is a 2-door coupe only. The interiors are pretty low rent (the seat material is straight out of dollar store) and the infotainment system will get on your nerves. If a person is looking for something fun and relatively inexpensive they are great cars but if you are used to driving nicer cars it's going to be a compromise for sure.

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Civic SI is there, especially if you don’t care about FWD.

It’s a pretty fun car. Main drawbacks are rev hang and the looks.
Civic SI is a 2-door coupe only.
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It's so ugly I understand that your brain may have convinced you it didn't actually exist.
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2GC is simply made for profits and expanding the brand's cliental. It is essentially a competitor for the A3 and A/CLA Class, all of which serve a similar purpose, by offering a lower priced vehicle for those who don't care about cars but just want to be seen with 4 rings, the 3 pointed star or kidney grills, its all about image. Most buyers of the 2GC will likely not know what engine they have under the hood, and won't know that their car is FWD, or even what that means. Hell I remember BMW said back in the day that over 60% of 1 series owners had no idea that their car was RWD.
Holy sh*t it's FWD??? Sigh...
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Looks like the 2 coupe is still the only way to find a new old 3 series, sadly, with the compromise of only 2 doors, which won't work for some of us.
I miss being able to have a compact luxurious sedan that delivers thrills without breaking the bank. It seems like aside from the Alfa Giulia nobody in the market will deliver this for the foreseeable future.

Sure there's the C43, S4, and M340i. But they aren't "fun" in the way you and I view that word. I was really counting on the 2er GC to fulfill this niche.
I actually had a long conversation w/ a Giulia owner the other day. He comes from owning a long line of BMWs and Porsches. Said the best car he ever owner was an 07 Cayman but had kids, so he had to give it up. Then he said the best everyday vehicle he owned was a ZHP 330i which he missed very much since getting rid of. He's had an E30, E36, E46 and E90, but thats when he stopped. He simply disliked the F30 and loved the F22 but needed 4 doors.

He bought an Alfa Giulia Q4 and said its the best car he's had in a while and reminds him of his Cayman and ZHP. He said it really is an emotional car and just feels less electronic and more raw. Luckily he's also had no issues in 2 years and 35k miles, and his dealer is paired w/ Porsche and Maserati so loaners are no problem for him and his service department is fast.

Honestly, if you have a good Alfa Dealer Network and can get a good lease deal (I still don't know if I would buy/own one long term) the Giulia is a very enticing car. You can get a 2/3 year lease for cheap. I don't plan on getting one myself, but I am going to test drive one to see if all the wonderful things I've heard about this vehicle are true.
I drove a base Giulia for a weekend last year and it was phenomenal. Literally miles and miles better than any equivalent 3-series. No comparison.

Sure the gearbox was a crappy ZF but honestly for that type of car (4 door sedan) where my expectations were super low it was just a really well engineered and fantastic car to drive. It felt communicative....
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