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      09-26-2017, 01:36 PM   #67
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On a car that will never exist?

If you are talking about the F87 M2 "CS", that's not what he was talking about and not relevant to this thread.
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      09-26-2017, 01:40 PM   #68
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Except for the 6 series, the grand coupes are hideous.
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      09-26-2017, 01:43 PM   #69
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Don?t make another mistake... this has to available as an M2GC (S55) and would be the hottest hatch EVER.

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You do realize that this will be FWD/AWD? And that chances are the TT straight six will be too long? And that it would be stepping on the toes of the M3 sedan if they did have a RWD M2 GC?
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      09-26-2017, 01:48 PM   #70
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...And that it would be stepping on the toes of the M3 sedan if they did have a RWD M2 GC?
I disagree with that point. It is no different from having both an M2 coupe and M4 coupe today, or really, the 2 Series coupe/convertible along side the 4 Series coupe/convertible.
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      09-26-2017, 01:51 PM   #71
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EPIC can't wait to see this. Current 2er seems to have been a runaway hit here in the uk market. Would be Amazing IF an M2 variant unfolded, highly doubtful I guess but I hope!

EDIT: just taken a further look at the pics! What, no way is THAT F series hoodline/cut coming back in 2019 next gen is it?? G series has removed that so I assume it's just a random ish body shell for now.
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Mercedes made the jump to FWD / AWD for their entry level car with the CLA some years ago, looks like BMW took notes and is following suit.

Let's just hope they make a CLA45 AMG / Audi RS3 killer
Meh. If I had to cross shop between a FWD based 2 series with a CLA45 and RS3 I'd take the RS3 every single day.

If I can't have my I6, at least give me an I5.
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      09-26-2017, 02:44 PM   #75
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Nonetheless, I still think it looks too tall. More GT than GC, in my eyes - the window outline is not sporty or sexy.

It's almost like if a widescreen photo has been squeezed horizontally to fit 4:3 format...
I suspect that the rear of the car has not the final panels on; there is something strange about that padded butt and the rear door.
What is very peculiar is how strange they sit inside; too high; compare with the new Mercedes A class and A class sedan spy pics; there is something deeply wrong here.
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      09-26-2017, 02:51 PM   #76
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Corroborating this is the next generation 2 Series coupe and convertible model codes which are G42/G43. In every case we know of, "G" is used for CLAR vehicles, while UKL vehicles still use "F".
Is it confirmed? or speculation based on code name at this point?

For the development timing, if there will be new 2 series in RWD platform, it should be already being tested now. (just like 2GC)

I don't think that was spotted on the road so far.

Time will tell, I guess.

BTW, why people are keep talking about S55 for M version.
There will be S58. that's what I want in next gen M2.
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      09-26-2017, 02:52 PM   #77
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BMW is getting carried away with these redundant models. I'm a car nut and an avid BMW fan and I can't keep up.
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      09-26-2017, 02:54 PM   #78
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It's based on a totally different platform.
both cars are based on UKL platform (aka MINI cooper)
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      09-26-2017, 02:57 PM   #79
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Probably worth pointing out that a fwd based ?awd? BMW is 100/0 until slip and a rwd based ?awd? BMW is 40/60 until slip.

In other words, an awd X1 is not nearly the same thing as an awd X3.
Had a chance to drive the X1 xDrive as a loaner car and noticed the front tires pressure was higher than the rear ones (thru iDrive screen), meaning it is almost always FWD.
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Probably worth pointing out that a fwd based ?awd? BMW is 100/0 until slip and a rwd based ?awd? BMW is 40/60 until slip.

In other words, an awd X1 is not nearly the same thing as an awd X3.
Had a chance to drive the X1 xDrive as a loaner car and noticed the front tires pressure was higher than the rear ones (thru iDrive screen), meaning it is almost always FWD.
Yeah, we had an E84 35i and test drove the new X1, absolutely no comparison between dynamics of the two. Bought an F30 LCI but won’t be buying another BMW unless I convince the spouse to get an M2 CS.
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      09-26-2017, 03:08 PM   #81
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Some of the Volvo I6 were also fwd, so you?ve got me there. I think the V8 was only awd. Not that it made it any better.
S80 and XC90.
But they are way wider then this. And the had poor turn angles. And volvo is not exactly known as a great handling cars.
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      09-26-2017, 03:12 PM   #82
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Except for the 6 series, the grand coupes are hideous.
Sounds like a personal problem
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      09-26-2017, 03:19 PM   #83
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Is it confirmed? or speculation based on code name at this point?
As I said, the codes are merely corroborating information. Still, notice that there are no UKL vehicles with codes F42/F43 coming either. So, if BMW were planning to use UKL for the coupe/convertible, those are right there for the taking. F41 is the next 1 Series hatch, known to be moving to UKL, after which they skip to F44 which is this new 2 Series GC also known to be built on UKL. Circumstantial? Technically, sure. But very strong circumstance, I would say.

However, the real evidence is Van Meel's recent statement that M Division is sticking with the I6 and will not build four cylinder models. He would not come out and say that at this time - with nothing forcing him to come forward about such things - if products were not in the works, and if he were not 100% sure he will not be eating his words in just a few short years. We can take his statement to mean that the next M2, M3, and M4 will each be I6 powered. After that generation? Who knows.

In any case, if the M2 is going to be powered by an I6, then it is going to be built on a RWD platform. And if the M2 is going to be on a RWD platform, then so will the 2 Series coupe (and convertible) on which it must be based.

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For the development timing, if there will be new 2 series in RWD platform, it should be already being tested now. (just like 2GC)
No, not true at all. The F22/F23/F87 just had their LCI and will not be replaced until 2021 according to current inside information. It is way too early for the next generation to be out testing. In fact, even the next generation 4 Series Coupe has not yet been seen, and that is due in 2020.

By contrast, this new 2 GC is due in 2019, which is why it is now out in the wild testing.

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Time will tell, I guess.
As far as I am concerned, these are the facts. You too will be convinced eventually. But go ahead and take all the time you need - you've got years to allow yourself to believe.

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BTW, why people are keep talking about S55 for M version.
There will be S58. that's what I want in next gen M2.
Yes, and it will almost surely power the next M3 and M4 just as it is known to be powering the new X3 M and X4 M.

Quite possibly, maybe I'd even say probably, it will indeed power the next M2 as well. The only other choice would be some version of the B58 approaching 400hp. That cannot be ruled out, but I think the fact that they are promoting the S55 to the M2 "CS" now suggests that for the next generation, they will start with the M motor right out of the gate. That's just my hunch, but I think it make sense.
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      09-26-2017, 03:20 PM   #84
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both cars are based on UKL platform (aka MINI cooper)
He was referring to this part of that post:

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I sure hope they just stretch the existing 2er, but this feels like a whole new animal.
with that comment.
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      09-26-2017, 03:23 PM   #85
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Except for the 6 series, the grand coupes are hideous.
You mean the 4GC is hideous. Or are there others?
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F41 is the next 1 Series hatch, known to be moving to UKL
F40 five-door and F41 three-door, to be exact
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      09-26-2017, 03:27 PM   #87
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F40 five-door and F41 three-door, to be exact
Right - like I said in my recent post covering all known future model codes.

I mentioned just the F41 because it was the one directly before F42, which was germane to my point.
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Just spitballing something here, but with Mini sales down to minuscule numbers, and an increasing number of fwd based BMWs, is there a possibility that they?ll just shutter MINI in the near future?
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