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09-11-2010, 10:29 PM | #67 |
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I'll be going for an e92 M3 or moving to a Porsche Cayman S or slightly used 997 Turbo. I think BMW has succesfully pissed off enough people with this "M1" *1M* nonsense. I'm glad they named this the 1M because it was a lackluster effort to put M cars into the hands of young enthusiasts!
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For knowing almost none of the pertinent performance details of this car, there's a shocking number of angry and upset reactions in this thread. Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are premature IMO. I'd rather pass sound judgment once were given solid tangible details.
BMW has typically done an excellent job of estimating consumer demand for a vehicle and I doubt this release will be an exception. Keep in mind that the 1 series by itself sells only a fraction of what the 3 series sells, that the car is only coming equipped in manual, and that previous specialty M's like the M coupe and the z4m have typically sold less than 2000 cars per year... All these factors lead one to conclude that 2700 is probably a more accurate estimate of demand than we give it credit for. Now if the car ends up kicking some serious ass and becomes the sleeper hit of the automotive year, then I could foresee the possibility that the demand outpaces the 2700 prediction. My .02 -esquire
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I think 2700 is ridiculous. How is this going to be the "attainable M?'
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I would think the US would get more than 500 units, at least 1000 sounds more realistic. Maybe 500 per year for the 2 year run?
For those saying that they may make more after testing the waters, I can't see that happening because the new 1series will be out in 2012 so the 1M will only last maybe 2 years. |
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So we have two possibilities with this limited production: BMW accurately predicts the demand and sells all of the allocation without causing a buying frenzy, much like the Z4 M Coupe. Or we have an E46 M3 CSL situation where demand far outstrips supply and the car is a collector's dream (and I realize it's not apples-to-apples because the CSL wasn't released in N. America, but from what I understand, they're next-to-impossible to find even in the European market).
Already have my money down on a 1M and I'm fairly certain I'll get one at a very good price regardless, so I'm selfishly hoping for the latter case. But if I had to make a prediction, I'd say the former situation is more likely to occur, reason being that the 1er already doesn't sell in vast quantities. Add to that the manual only, limited colors, and possibly very limited options, and I can see 500 units being a good number. The only kink in the plan is that the 500 may artificially drive up the demand, with many people looking to get a 1M only because the numbers are limited. How does BMW solve that problem? By increasing production, you'll likely decrease the demand. Just something else that we'll have to wait to find out... |
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The problem is: you can not claim a car is collectable after many years if it can not run.
The current BMW turbo engine does not mean for reliability. Therefore the only way you keep the 1M to be collectable is not driving it and store it in your garage; or consistently spend money to keep it healthy after warranty ends. On the other hand, people who are weathly enough to do this normally not buy cars in this price range...... |
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09-12-2010, 01:15 AM | #74 |
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It is facts.
All current collectable cars belong to one of the following 2 categories: 1. It is really limited produced. I mean single digit production or 20 - 30 units build, not exceeding 100 units; 2. It is build in bulk quantity (like thousands), but people initially do not know it will be collectable in the future, so very few are left in good condition after many years. |
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Sounded like you were saying the 1M won't be collectable because it has reliability issues? |
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If yes, then this is another scenario: Carrera 2.7 RS is what Porsche purposely designed and build for entering racing formulae that demanded that a certain minimum number of production cars were made. They are sold by demand, not by pre-defined limited production numbers. Porsche internal document showed that back in 1972 they 'planned to build at least 500 cars'. The 1973 model is describe by Porsche as 'limited production' means such configuration (engine, body etc.) was only build in that model year, you can order as much as you can if you have money; but after that year, Porsche just stop producing such configuration (the 1974 US version Carrera only has the 165 bhp CIS engine due to emission regulation). Now back to our topic: if 1M is dedicated designed and build (like the M3, M5), not just a rush project product to seize out last drop of profit from a retiring old platform, not 'borrow' other model's parts in order to save costs, and for 2700 production number, I can say it might have a chance to become a collector's car; But look at the 1M now, see how and why it was developed, I seriously doubt it can keep value as good as the 8 series... |
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Hmmm, I believe the E30 M3 borrowed nearly the entire e30 chassis and interior then ///M put their magic touch on it. Suspension bits were M specific, engine and tranny were M specific, bod panels were M specific, the rear roof line was modified. Almost all of the interior bits were E30 with exception of the seats, door panels, carpets and rear deck lid. The new 1M will be the same. The E30 m3 sat on dealer lots and could not be sold with only 5,000 units being allocated to the US over 4yrs. This car is now a classic and in great condition is worth more than the E36 and E46 counterparts. T |
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09-12-2010, 08:38 AM | #80 |
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Good statement to get you guys off the fence and into the dealership to place your orders early.. as soon as they start taking them.
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Makes sense for BMW to put the limitations on this car (colors, and production numbers), because otherwise their M3 sales would be severely affected.
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09-12-2010, 09:28 AM | #82 |
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Why is everyone so surprised? We've been hearing this for several months. Of course its going to be a limited edition car. I'm glad somebody brought up the 5,000 units of the E30 BMW moved in 5 years.
FWIW, BMWUSA sells on average about 800 1 series cars a month. Thats it. Its not clear what percentages are 128i, 135i, or the verts. I'm sure their 1M allocations will be fine. The color and tranny limitations will help keep the posers away. To be honest, if a person passes on the 1M b/c a lack of color choices, I'M GLAD THEY'RE NOT BUYING.
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09-12-2010, 09:34 AM | #83 |
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The M3 came out in 2008, the 2011s are already out, they are having a Ron of special editions to the point it looks like BMW took a page out of Ford's book (in regards to the Mustang)...the 1M would not have put much of dent in M3 sales,
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09-12-2010, 09:54 AM | #84 |
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Why I know, b/c I touched the real one at Miramas as well. Although the roof was under wraps, I was able to knock on the roof quite a bit and it certainly was not CF. The car in person is stunning. However, the lack of DCT really kills it for me. |
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You seem pretty sure. Everything looks as if they're really trying to keep the price in check.
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But. look at the bright side. You can buy a X5M or X6M anytime you want. |
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