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      05-30-2019, 12:48 PM   #199
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the German configurator trying to ‘hide’ that awful in-the-middle-of-nowhere hood line....



What a poor design decision. Audi can make FWD cars without that line.

I realized all 3 generations of the z4 have had that hood line, and I'm starting to think they did it on purpose as some of their cars have it and some dont.
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      05-30-2019, 12:53 PM   #200
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A major attraction of the M140 was the excellent B58 engine. It have the car immense character and of course power, an engine I'm familiar with in my own 540.

To remove the engine, lower the power and change it to FWD shows a total lack of willingness to remain connected to a loyal fan base.

Some very bad judgements/decisions have been made by bmw and hit always driven by environment/economic/political concerns, they seem content to launch a V8 X5 M50i but have completely ruined the M140.

The new 1 series is aimed at a very different market to before, the only thing that matters is sales volume now.

I'd have to think they know what they are doing. As much as I would generally want RWD as well, I'd guess a lot of people don't care

I'd also guess if you wanted a hatchback you are looking for some practicality, and ultimately the RWD model was going to have way less space for a similar sized car (especiallly with a long inline 6) than a transverse 4 cylinder that doesn't have among other things a drive shaft tunnel.
And well a hatchback that isn't space efficient doesn't quite make sense to most hatch buyers.

It also costs more to build which means BMW has less margin on it (so they either have to price it higher to keep the same margins , or they can just not make money on it to be even price competitive with say the A3).


If anything theres probably a good number of people who didn't buy a BMW hatch because it didn't have enough space due to its RWD inline -6 option "compromise" and they probably will sell many more 1 series hatches now to non enthusiasts than they would have otherwise. If they really want to go for market share they could lower the price now given the new 1 series no doubt costs less to build than the roughly equivalent previous version.

Their core demographic for hatches as it is is like 120d 's and such in europe or whatever, probably a decent number of people who just wanted a hatchback regardless of RWD or FWD that will now consider BMW because "hey its got competitive space inside" to the A3 / A class . At least they are keeping the 2 series RWD , i'd guesson the assumption that someone who wants a coupe isn't exactly giving practical space inside as much of a consideration.
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Most likely as pretty well all transverse engine mount AWD vehicles are not full time AWD. It's actually not a bad thing as it reduces fuel economy and the latest differentials can transfer power to the rear wheels very quickly as I owned a Golf R and could not find any determinable difference between that and my old STI when it came to daily driving or slippery conditions. On a track is where you can see some FWD tendencies but really how many people are going to be tracking these cars as 99.9% will be used for commuting.
i am the 0.1% though lol
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Most likely as pretty well all transverse engine mount AWD vehicles are not full time AWD. It's actually not a bad thing as it reduces fuel economy and the latest differentials can transfer power to the rear wheels very quickly as I owned a Golf R and could not find any determinable difference between that and my old STI when it came to daily driving or slippery conditions. On a track is where you can see some FWD tendencies but really how many people are going to be tracking these cars as 99.9% will be used for commuting.
i am the 0.1% though lol
Then buy an M2. See how BMW just moved you up market?
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Then buy an M2. See how BMW just moved you up market?
It probably didn't move his cash flow upstream.
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Then buy an M2. See how BMW just moved you up market?
It probably didn't move his cash flow upstream.
Those mean Germans.
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Those mean Germans.
Terrible people....Just terrible.
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Those mean Germans.
Terrible people....Just terrible.
I mean, in the grand scheme of things, this atrocity barely moves the needle. The advantage of setting the bar impossibly high.
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If we were keeping score, brad850csi beat you by a couple hours:

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show...4#post24837844

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show...6#post24838296

But we aren’t keeping score, so we won’t ding you for the repost.
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if we were keeping score, brad850csi beat you by a couple hours:

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show...4#post24837844

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show...6#post24838296

but we aren’t keeping score, so we won’t ding you for the repost.

i'm keeping score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's a backward step from my M140i

6 cylinder to 4 pot
340bhp to 302 bhp
Dull boring design just looks like a Ford

Poor effort BMW you won't win many UK sales with this
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It's a backward step from my M140i

6 cylinder to 4 pot
340bhp to 302 bhp
Dull boring design just looks like a Ford

Poor effort BMW you won't win many UK sales with this
While you are correct in your observations about performance related to the prior 1 Series, I highly doubt BMW will not sell a crapload of these new cars.
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It's a backward step from my M140i

6 cylinder to 4 pot
340bhp to 302 bhp
Dull boring design just looks like a Ford

Poor effort BMW you won't win many UK sales with this
...Except for the fact that the vast majority of F20 sales had three or four cylinders and 150 bhp or less.
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Not bad. I would take this over any similarly priced MINI.
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Is that yours?
No way in hell
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Awesome.
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this thread made me realize that all they actually did was rebadge a Mazda 3. sneaky!
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