Why are car guys obsessed with fast wagons?1

EricP3 · 08-28-2020, 01:42 PM

tell me you don't want this...

Suds · 08-28-2020, 01:42 PM

Because there have been some great ones sold to the European market and all the other positive statements above.

Arcades · 08-28-2020, 01:45 PM

Think my only issue with wagons is, I have a habit of not liking to drive long cars. RS6 Avant, the Panamera are both cares I had my eyes on but... god too long.

swagon · 08-28-2020, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by THEROK

If not a sports car or fast car with sporting intentions (all Ms save for maybe the M1), I'm all about trucks. Trucks as in solid front and rear axles. Trucks as in rolling on nothing short of 35s and all-terrain tires.

Hot or cold, not lukewarm practicality be d----d.

Not sure if sarcasm or not, but what do you need a super duty on 35s for as, what I presume, is your daily driver?

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Originally Posted by Suds

Because there have been some great ones sold to the European market and all the other positive statements above.

Nice B6! I saw an Imola Yellow B6 S4 Avant the other day.

Ejones4541 · 08-28-2020, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

Think my only issue with wagons is, I have a habit of not liking to drive long cars. RS6 Avant, the Panamera are both cares I had my eyes on but... god too long.

I would've never thought a car as horrible looking as the Panamera would've made it to production. It's like a Cayenne and a Ford Pinto hooked up after bar hopping.

Jockey · 08-28-2020, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ejones4541

I would've never thought a car as horrible looking as the Panamera would've made it to production. It's like a Cayenne and a Ford Pinto hooked up after bar hopping.

Yes, but have you seen the new M3/4/4-series?

Makes a Panamera look like a work of art

zorrro · 08-28-2020, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EricP3

tell me you don't want this...

+1

I also like the older ones that were lighter (this 5MT sold for 51k on BaT).

spuntyb · 08-28-2020, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EricP3

tell me you don't want this...

Want? NEED.

Germanauto · 08-28-2020, 05:41 PM

I get the appeal of wagons by car guys, and most of these touring models do look good, but part of me still finds them to be a tad uncool just thanks of their shape.

I also think most households do need one full-fledged CUV/SUV. Even if a wagon can be just as practical for groceries and trips to Home Depot, and X3/X5 just feels roomier and more comfortable for road trips. And we can't neglect the fact market research shows women especially feel safer sitting higher up.

Since most households already have one CUV/SUV, the other car doesn't have to be a wagon. May as well get the M3 sedan/M4 at that point.

THEROK · 08-28-2020, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by swagon

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Originally Posted by THEROK

If not a sports car or fast car with sporting intentions (all Ms save for maybe the M1), I'm all about trucks. Trucks as in solid front and rear axles. Trucks as in rolling on nothing short of 35s and all-terrain tires.

Hot or cold, not lukewarm practicality be d----d.

Not sure if sarcasm or not, but what do you need a super duty on 35s for as, what I presume, is your daily driver?

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Originally Posted by Suds

Because there have been some great ones sold to the European market and all the other positive statements above.

Nice B6! I saw an Imola Yellow B6 S4 Avant the other day.

Asks... the guy named wagon lmao

mzcp · 08-28-2020, 07:17 PM

Not my car but how about an E39 wagon with the S65

sna66 · 08-28-2020, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EricP3

tell me you don't want this...

Hell nah, that thing is repulsive... station wagons and suvs that pretend to be sports cars disgust me

icebiker · 08-28-2020, 11:18 PM

Fast sporty wagons enable you to have fun while hauling your other toys (bikes, boards, etc) to your chosen destination. While my DD now is a 6MT Xterra, I do miss my 6MT 2004 V70R. That car was a blast to drive. Handled well (for a long car) and decent 0-60 (5.5 sec IIRC). Too bad the angle gears on these P2's were crap, and the otherwise awesome 4C suspension suffered from strut mounts that turned to hockey pucks after 20k miles.

FaRKle! · 08-28-2020, 11:20 PM

I love having a wagon. I can take my various outdoor toys to great remote locations and those usually have fun twisty roads enroute. Can't enjoy those roads in an SUV.

Freak1c · 08-28-2020, 11:24 PM

Well if the RS6 sells well in the US , we may see the estate M3! Hopefully!

Mar48 · 08-29-2020, 08:14 AM

I used to HATE wagons from a looks perspective... then I had a family and realized I needed more room to haul stuff around: car parts, small furniture, dog, kid, luggage, etc.

I liked the way a car drove over a SUV, but needed more room than a sedan, and started looking at wagons. Some started to even LOOK appealing to me.

So, now I have a 2015 B8.5 Audi Allroad (my second wagon following a 2010 Audi A4 Avant) and I absolutely love it. The wagon ‘look’ has grown on me over time (same with the wife who also used to hate the look of wagons).

Pros: Drives like a car, more fun, more planted, has as much room as most small SUVs, more economical (than some SUVs), better looking (subjective)

Cons: Less room than “std” size SUVs, worse looking (subjective), ground clearance (if you need it - in MN never had an issue with snow but some regions get more).

mecheng77 · 08-29-2020, 09:00 AM

As others have said they have the best of everything. Practicality and handling. A SUV will never match the handling of a wagon.

I've always thought they are cool and on the used market Euro wagons sell quick in my area.

Starting from the T5-R they were always cool for car people

CanAutM3 · 08-29-2020, 11:33 AM

Wagon: Practical + enjoyable to drive

I personally never understood the appeal of an SUV if one does not offroad

BlackF82 · 08-29-2020, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EricP3

tell me you don't want this...

I really dont, unless its free!

AlpineWhite_SJ · 08-29-2020, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Wagon: Practical + enjoyable to drive

I personally never understood the appeal of an SUV if one does not offroad

People like the higher vantage point and it's easier to load items in the cargo area without bending down. Also would feel better about driving on non-paved roads with how BMW orients the oil cooler than I would in a wagon.

MisterF80M3 · 08-29-2020, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Wagon: Practical + enjoyable to drive

I personally never understood the appeal of an SUV if one does not offroad

Comfortability?

Blackhawk878 · 08-30-2020, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sna66

Hell nah, that thing is repulsive... station wagons and suvs that pretend to be sports cars disgust me

Yeah!! Kinda like heavy ass converts pretending to as well.

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Germanauto Major General 9740 Rep 6,095 Posts Drives: Alfa Romeo Giulia, Rosso Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: LA iTrader: (0)	I get the appeal of wagons by car guys, and most of these touring models do look good, but part of me still finds them to be a tad uncool just thanks of their shape. I also think most households do need one full-fledged CUV/SUV. Even if a wagon can be just as practical for groceries and trips to Home Depot, and X3/X5 just feels roomier and more comfortable for road trips. And we can't neglect the fact market research shows women especially feel safer sitting higher up. Since most households already have one CUV/SUV, the other car doesn't have to be a wagon. May as well get the M3 sedan/M4 at that point. __________________ Former -2008 E90 328 black/brown -2012 Lexus IS250 black/black Last edited by Germanauto; 08-28-2020 at 05:46 PM..
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icebiker Lieutenant 513 Rep 434 Posts Drives: 2016 F83 6MT Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	Fast sporty wagons enable you to have fun while hauling your other toys (bikes, boards, etc) to your chosen destination. While my DD now is a 6MT Xterra, I do miss my 6MT 2004 V70R. That car was a blast to drive. Handled well (for a long car) and decent 0-60 (5.5 sec IIRC). Too bad the angle gears on these P2's were crap, and the otherwise awesome 4C suspension suffered from strut mounts that turned to hockey pucks after 20k miles. Attached Images
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FaRKle! Brigadier General 4041 Rep 3,548 Posts Drives: 328d Wagon, M2 Comp, i4 eD35 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2023 BMW i4 eDrive 35 [5.00] 2017 BMW 328dx Wagon [10.00] 2021 BMW M2 Competi ... [5.00]	I love having a wagon. I can take my various outdoor toys to great remote locations and those usually have fun twisty roads enroute. Can't enjoy those roads in an SUV. __________________ -328d Wagon Build Log (with helpful reference links) -My YouTube Channel for some of the best DIYs and in depth information Please don't PM me for suspension recommendations unless interested in paid private consultations.
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Mar48 Colonel 1102 Rep 2,119 Posts Drives: '22 M3 Comp xDrive - Atlantis Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: MN iTrader: (1)	I used to HATE wagons from a looks perspective... then I had a family and realized I needed more room to haul stuff around: car parts, small furniture, dog, kid, luggage, etc. I liked the way a car drove over a SUV, but needed more room than a sedan, and started looking at wagons. Some started to even LOOK appealing to me. So, now I have a 2015 B8.5 Audi Allroad (my second wagon following a 2010 Audi A4 Avant) and I absolutely love it. The wagon ‘look’ has grown on me over time (same with the wife who also used to hate the look of wagons). Pros: Drives like a car, more fun, more planted, has as much room as most small SUVs, more economical (than some SUVs), better looking (subjective) Cons: Less room than “std” size SUVs, worse looking (subjective), ground clearance (if you need it - in MN never had an issue with snow but some regions get more). Attached Images __________________ IG: SirLanzelotte Individual Atlantis Metallic G80 M3 Competition xDrive 2015 Audi Allroad P+ Brilliant Black/Black Past: F80 M3/Z4MR/E46 M3/Z4MC/Z3MR/335Xi
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