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      03-11-2020, 01:22 PM   #23
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I continue to like it. BMW finally entered 21st Century.
Huh? This car isn't revolutionary in any way. :
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The grilles get a lot of negative attention (and they should), but does anyone else wonder, like me: Why is the trunk so TALL?!? It makes the car look even narrower and less sporty. It almost looks like a crossover from some angles. I dislike the rear end almost as much as the front (and the side profile). Man this car is ugly.
This type of car obviously has to be practical. Since it's not a hatchback but still has to have the fastback styling, they have to make the rear end taller otherwise rear seat headroom will be too tight and the trunk capacity will be too small. Looks like a fine car for first time BMW buyers or people in markets that favor small cars.
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No thanks, I'll take a Golf R please (#SaveTheManuals!)
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The grilles get a lot of negative attention (and they should), but does anyone else wonder, like me: Why is the trunk so TALL?!? It makes the car look even narrower and less sporty. It almost looks like a crossover from some angles. I dislike the rear end almost as much as the front (and the side profile). Man this car is ugly.
I agree with you 100%.
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An RS3 with a 6 speed would be... just perfect
AND a little more visual flair in the exterior, then yes, it would be quite awesome.
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I think a lot of young people will buy this so they can join the BMW family at a more reasonable price.
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I think a lot of young people will buy this so they can join the BMW family at a more reasonable price.
BMW thought this of the X2 as well...and that ended up being a 50+ woman's dream car.

Regardless, having now driven both the 228i and M235i (both xDrive), this car is a pretty decent drive. The steering isn't dead like we've had before in the F30 chassis and it's 100x better in every way over the 320. The M235i has pretty good pickup and sounds good (like an S3/GolfR). At 41-42k MSRP 228i, you have nav, comfort access, heated seats/wheel, satellite radio and a moonroof. So after rebates/negotiating this is a sub 40k car.

It'll sell.
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I think a lot of young people will buy this so they can join the BMW family at a more reasonable price.
I would say this car makes market sense if MINI is to fold and vanish in coming years.

It's no secret that MINI is a troubled brand with sales falling off the proverbial cliff and fairly decent but stale product

Personally, I like this new BMW because if everyone here hates with a rabid passion so then it must be a car worth taking a closer look into.
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An RS3 with a 6 speed would be... just perfect
AND a little more visual flair in the exterior, then yes, it would be quite awesome.
I think the new one will be less jellybean. This is a render based on the new Sportback of the A3. RS3 has some potential. I'm really curious to see if they utilize a more aggressive version of Haldex for the Golf R and Audi's this go around. The Mk7 cars only send "more than 10%" to the rear until slippage. Of course the BMW and MB send zip, nada, zero until slippage.

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The grilles get a lot of negative attention (and they should), but does anyone else wonder, like me: Why is the trunk so TALL?!? It makes the car look even narrower and less sporty. It almost looks like a crossover from some angles. I dislike the rear end almost as much as the front (and the side profile). Man this car is ugly.
Ugly indeed
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
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Absolutely nails the commentary on looks in my mind.

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Absolutely nails the commentary on looks in my mind.

Reminds of this chick I met. Bragging to me she has a BMW.

I had a pretty new at the time VW Corrado VR6

She had a 318 ti hatch back it still had cassette player capabilities
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Missed opportunity for bmw. I feel like they could have made this car really cool but it just looks awful and doesn't look fun to drive. I would take a manual golf r all day
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I continue to like it. BMW finally entered 21st Century.
If the 21st century is lame duck styling and uninspiring dynamics I don't want a 21st century car.
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I continue to like it. BMW finally entered 21st Century.
If the 21st century is lame duck styling and uninspiring dynamics I don't want a 21st century car.
You will get used to it, grandpa
And yes, you will need to move away from your Nokia too and learn to use touch screens.

All I see is a nicely looking small gran coupe (similar to what Audi introduced with A3 many years ago, since they have a calendar on the wall) with an aggressive enough engine and corresponding optics.

If you were expecting another E-series design, too bad.
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
You're calling people poseurs and being self righteous at the same time.

Sort of an Oxymoron/contradictory kinda sorta
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
You're calling people poseurs and being self righteous at the same time.

Sort of an Oxymoron/contradictory kinda sorta
Exactly my point Snobbery and reverse snobbery it's all the same.
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
You're calling people poseurs and being self righteous at the same time.

Sort of an Oxymoron/contradictory kinda sorta
Exactly my point Snobbery and reverse snobbery it's all the same.
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
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What a missed opportunity. The consensus by BMW fans and the press is that this car is a mediocre product that exists solely to fill the A3/CLA segment.

The only upside is that the badge chasers will generally get into this rather than a plain white leatherette 320i.
Here we go with the stereotypes and name calling. Snobbery much?

The BMW M owners are probably more poseurs than the "Badge chasing" 320i owners with leatherette. I bet the later are more enthusiasts than the former.

And having driven a F30 320i a few years back, I found it to be a fun car and more true to its roots than any other more powerful F30 3er of the time. Light on its feet, practical and it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than the other way around.

Let's stop the personal attacks against a group of owners that some here perceive here to be in it just for the badge. In other words, get off your proverbial high horses!
You're calling people poseurs and being self righteous at the same time.

Sort of an Oxymoron/contradictory kinda sorta
Exactly my point Snobbery and reverse snobbery it's all the same.
So your goal was to display/demonstrate the very thing you have disdained?

So you're Fire Marshall Bill from "In Living Color"
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I think the new one will be less jellybean. This is a render based on the new Sportback of the A3. RS3 has some potential. I'm really curious to see if they utilize a more aggressive version of Haldex for the Golf R and Audi's this go around. The Mk7 cars only send "more than 10%" to the rear until slippage. Of course the BMW and MB send zip, nada, zero until slippage.

[IMG]https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/ima...s-141694_1.jpg[/IMG]
I find the current RS3 looks way better than this render...

Also, the Haldex in the RS3 can be permanently locked up on demand (when dynamic Quattro is selected in the driveselect) for a constant 50-50 split. While it is not a true Torsen Quattro, it still makes for an entertaining drive.
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I just feel like it's such a stupid car to make, why would we have a 4 door 2 series?
Simply because there's demand for a four-door that's smaller than a current 3 series. My issue with the car is what's on offer for the msrp. It's essentially a fwd/awd, hot hatch with a turbo 4. I agree with the sentiment that one can get a gti, golf r, civic type r, wrx, the Hyundai hot hatch (forget the name) or a used focus rs, for much less coin. Maybe they're less refined, but often, those interested in this segment aren't as focused on that. What is the 2gc offering for the higher msrp that can't be had for much less from a competing make/model?
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