12-17-2018, 05:45 AM | #67 | |
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So easy to simply isolate the gearbox type in theses discussions, as if the transmission is still a stand alone option. That simplicity is disappearing. Just as EPS allows driver assist and autonomous functions to be added, AT allows driver assist and autonomous features to be fitted. The manual gearbox manufacturers are well aware of this, know they have to automate MT to be part of the future. |
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12-17-2018, 08:41 AM | #68 |
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BMW M doesn't make anything I would buy anymore, so really I don't care. The brand is not what it used to be, I'm over it and have found elsewhere to satisfy my needs.
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12-17-2018, 08:53 AM | #69 | |
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As a suspected, a pretty weak reason to base your argument that a manual gives you more "control" on, which imo is not important and has nothing to do with driving. In terms of actual driving (track, spirited, normal driving) I can't see how you can say a manual offers more "control", I can't think of anything you can do (burnouts, launching, redline, rev-match, down-shifting, bounce off rev limiter, etc) that you can't do in a dct/smg/etc. Except maybe money shift it......
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12-17-2018, 08:58 AM | #70 | |
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To do a proper drift, you just have to stay on the gas and properly correct. No need for a clutch, a clutch wouldn't have helped those knuckleheads that ate a curb.
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12-17-2018, 09:10 AM | #71 |
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We are decades away from manual cars disappearing for good. There might not be many new ones on the market but there will always be used ones. Grab one soon before the prices increase more than they already have.
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12-17-2018, 12:47 PM | #72 |
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12-17-2018, 12:52 PM | #73 |
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Yes I only stick around for my interest in older platforms and because I still own two generations of M3s.
I don't plan to buy any of the newer BMWs. When I replace my E92m3, it won't be with another BMW but I'll probably continue to have an older bmw or two in my garage.
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12-17-2018, 01:51 PM | #74 | |
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I've driven manual cars exclusively for over 40 years and did youth-enthused shit with far less powerful RWD and FWD cars trying to emulate my favorite stunt drivers that was far more agressive than some dork hyped up on caffeine, none of which an automatic would ever allow. Too add, I'm pretty sure every hoonnigan car Ken Block has built has a manual transmission. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 12-17-2018 at 02:07 PM.. |
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12-17-2018, 02:07 PM | #75 | |
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I'm no driving expert either, but I also don't see how disengaging the drivetrain would make the car easier to stop in the discussed scenario or otherwise. In my mind it'd do the complete opposite, but could be I'm not seeing things clearly. With the clutch disengaged, wouldn't the impact be just that much worse, seeing as there's no engine brake or any other drivetrain connection to slow the car even a bit? (obviously at this point they wouldn't be standing on the gas pedal, even if in gear) |
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12-17-2018, 02:15 PM | #76 | |
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12-17-2018, 03:40 PM | #77 | |
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12-17-2018, 04:25 PM | #78 |
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Yeah, that's it, I don't have a sound understanding of how things work. Engine internals are heavy. LOL.
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Speaking of sound, anyone tried the new Harman Kardon sound sy...
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12-17-2018, 05:25 PM | #81 |
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Efthreeoh, I just built this Mini on their site.
https://www.miniusa.com/tools/learni...,3AB&year=2019 Could be a very fun car, and only $23,250. I didn't realize they were this good of a value. |
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Interesting topic, for the most of my driving life I've owned manual's simply because they're cheaper here and used to be more common place. My first auto was an Alfa Giulietta QV and I couldn't get on with it.
The TCT gearbox in the G had a rather dim-witted nature, coming from a slick six speed shifter in a Focus ST I got rather frustrated with the lack of control. The Focus's handling was second to none but that came at the cost of ride comfort and when I started travelling for work again the novelty wore off quickly. Constantly shifting to neutral in traffic, clutch foot and compromised ride comfort for the sake of handling prowess and "engagement" wasn't the answer. So, I bought a 335D and my opinion on automatics changed completely. It adapted to my driving style quickly, I found it engaging to use the flappy paddles on the odd B road trip... I couldn't fault it. When I started doing less miles I traded the 335 in for an M140i MT, to say the least it didn't last long. Just like the Focus the novelty wore off quickly, with the addition of a clunky shifter and pedals too close together. I'm back in the car search market test driving many options and whilst more standard M-sport BMW's may not be specifically the best at any single thing, they're IMO undoubtedly the best jack of all trades. Engines are punchy and efficient giving more HP per euro than the competition around here, the steering is good enough without compromising ride comfort, they're not all that expensive comparatively, the dealers around here are all great, they're reliable, practical and you can have a lot of fun under the right circumstances. For those reasons I'll be staying bimmer..! |
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12-19-2018, 11:49 PM | #84 |
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Lmao at you dinosaurs crying about the death of BMW and the manual transmission. Get over it. You are 1-2% or something of 3 series buyers and there is no logical reason BMW should or would cater to you. Buy those F30s like your lives depend on it so you can have a dumpster fire with a manual before they are gone. The G20 will surely prove the F30 was the worst 3 series.
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12-20-2018, 04:17 AM | #85 | |
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When I do drive the one automatic I do own I'm always thinking "why is it in the wrong fucking gear?" |
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12-20-2018, 06:43 AM | #86 | |
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Glad you aren't doing your 175 mike daily commute here. |
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12-22-2018, 11:18 AM | #88 |
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Yeah, me too.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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