FBO E85 09 GTR vs 6MT JB4 M4 +E30

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

I don't notice much of a difference, but I guarantee it flows better with how thick those filters seem.



I have all of the stage 3 now, to include the EWG connections. The only true E85 map per se, is map 7. I was in Map 1 with an E30 mix. That being said, you can run mixes with lower stages and the FF sensor will work for you, but race fuel/E85 specific is Map 7 (which I'm running now)



What exactly were you expecting? This is a 10 second GT-R. lol.



This is absolutely true. The cars are monsters. Imagine what that power level would be on a DynoJet.

I would have thought it is a bit below 11 (10.8 or 10.9), given he ran the 1/8 in 7.2.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

"Tuned with midpipes" on the GTR is nothing like the one I ran. Nice try though.

Originally Posted by Newguy123

That M3 wouldn't stand a chance against the gtr Jason raced! Cobb tuned whoopdy doo that's 16-17psi on pump the one Jason raced has aftermarket fuel pumps 1000 CC injectors e85 tune on 22psi big hp difference

I did'nt meant that those two GT-Rs were equally fast, I was just saying that one could've expected a closer race since jc05e46m3 posted this video to show how its new car perfom with his mods, so one could have expected something other then a complete annihilation!

But curious to know how you guys think Jason's M4 would have done against E92livin's s/c manual E9x, that was a 10sec. GT-R that he just beated in that video, probably not a +130mph but high 120s for sure!

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Curious to know how you guys think Jason's M4 would have done against E92livin's s/c manual E9x, that was a 10sec. GT-R that he just beated in that video, probably not a +130mph but high 120s for sure!

its kind of annoying that you keep trolling / defending the e9x m3 in every thread even though this entire thread has nothing to do with the e9x.

some very easy and quick research shows that tune / midpipe gtrs make this on a mustang dyno. keep in mind this is a custom tune, not the OTS cobb tune.

I have a 2012 and did an AAM midpipe, a COBB AP and a custom dyno tune. I installed the midpipe before the dyno tune, so I only have numbers after the midpipe and after the tune. Sorry...no bone stock numbers.

Mustang Dyno (aka the dream killer)
429/416 - with midpipe
495/499 - with midpipe and custom tune

Good luck!!!

far off what FBO e85 cars make, which I outlined in a prior post.

link to gtr forum

http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/...and-tune-only/

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I did'nt meant that those two GT-Rs were equally fast, I was just saying that one could've expected a closer race since jc05e46m3 posted this video to show how its new car perfom with his mods, so one could have expected something other then a complete annihilation!

But curious to know how you guys think Jason's M4 would have done against E92livin's s/c manual E9x, that was a 10sec. GT-R that he just beated in that video, probably not a +130mph but high 120s for sure!

I literally cant help but laugh. Let's get something straight. It was for REFERENCE.

In the video, the car has a JB4 running MAP 1 and some E85 mixed in the fuel. Other than that, the car was completely stock. How is that not impressive to be able to even be where it was with that car?

I would welcome any new stock GT-R or even one with a full exhaust and OTS tune to run in Mexico with me. I bet the results would be the same as the video you posted (even with my 6MT)

You should really do more research before commenting (as I've stated before). You're comparing apples to chocolate.

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

its kind of annoying that you keep trolling / defending the e9x m3 in every thread even though this entire thread has nothing to do with the e9x.

some very easy and quick research shows that tune / midpipe gtrs make this on a mustang dyno. keep in mind this is a custom tune, not the OTS cobb tune.

far off what FBO e85 cars make, which I outlined in a prior post.

link to gtr forum

http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/...and-tune-only/

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

I would have thought it is a bit below 11 (10.8 or 10.9), given he ran the 1/8 in 7.2.

7.2 with no launch. Just a roll start. I have video of it.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

its kind of annoying that you keep trolling / defending the e9x m3 in every thread even though this entire thread has nothing to do with the e9x.

some very easy and quick research shows that tune / midpipe gtrs make this on a mustang dyno. keep in mind this is a custom tune, not the OTS cobb tune.



far off what FBO e85 cars make, which I outlined in a prior post.

link to gtr forum

http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/...and-tune-only/

This was just in good fun, stop beeing so defensive guys! I just think people were expecting a closer race since jc05e46m3 has a new car with new mods, most people were probably expecting this thread to highligt how well the M4 perform with the JB4, not the opposite. I'm not saying it does'nt perform well, but for most people this video surelly suggest that it does'nt!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

I literally cant help but laugh. Let's get something straight. It was for REFERENCE.

In the video, the car has a JB4 running MAP 1 and some E85 mixed in the fuel. Other than that, the car was completely stock. How is that not impressive to be able to even be where it was with that car?I would welcome any new stock GT-R or even one with a full exhaust and OTS tune to run in Mexico with me. I bet the results would be the same as the video you posted (even with my 6MT)

You should really do more research before commenting (as I've stated before). You're comparing apples to chocolate.

Not sure if sarcasm!

[Newguy123]

Before Jason put any e85 in the tank he was back and fourth with a ess 625 m/t e9x. Now he has more boost and e85, granted the e9x he raced was m/t and the one in the video with the gtr was dct. I still think now with the e85 and added boost he would have demolished the ess625 m/t car....like stated above the gtr did not launch just took off on idle and was able to crack 7.2 @ 102. You put that thing in launch mode he would have been seeing higher trap speed and 6.xx 1/8th guaranteed

[pfl]

Correct. An SBD700 GT-R is a mid 10 sec trapping at 128+ car, depending on which year it is. If it's an SBD700 but a 2009-2011 model year, it's a tad slower (128-130mph trap). If it's 2012+, they are a tad faster due to different turbo inlets on 2012+ (they can be as fast as low low 10 sec if tuned on E85 and running on DRs.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

This was just in good fun, stop beeing so defensive guys! I just think people were expecting a closer race since jc05e46m3 has a new car with new mods, most people were probably expecting this thread to highligt how well the M4 perform with the JB4, not the opposite. I'm not saying it does'nt perform well, but for most people this video surelly suggest that it does'nt!

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Not sure if sarcasm!

What dream world are you living in?

Originally Posted by Newguy123

Before Jason put any e85 in the tank he was back and fourth with a ess 625 m/t e9x. Now he has more boost and e85, granted the e9x he raced was m/t and the one in the video with the gtr was dct. I still think now with the e85 and added boost he would have demolished the ess625 m/t car....like stated above the gtr did not launch just took off on idle and was able to crack 7.2 @ 102. You put that thing in launch mode he would have been seeing higher trap speed and 6.xx 1/8th guaranteed

Thanks for clarifying.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

This was just in good fun, stop beeing so defensive guys! I just think people were expecting a closer race since jc05e46m3 has a new car with new mods, most people were probably expecting this thread to highligt how well the M4 perform with the JB4, not the opposite. I'm not saying it does'nt perform well, but for most people this video surelly suggest that it does'nt!

pro tip : the one being defensive ITT is you

moving on, thank you jc for being a pioneer here and by having a real mans transmission in the car, even more kudos

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

pro tip : the one being defensive ITT is you

moving on, thank you jc for being a pioneer here and by having a real mans transmission in the car, even more kudos

Thanks, buddy. More to follow.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

What dream world are you living in?

You're happy that your tuned M4 gets beaten by several bus lengths and I'm the one livin in a dream world!!?

[pfl]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

You're happy that your tuned M4 gets beaten by several bus lengths and I'm the one livin in a dream world!!?

I don't think that's the point. I loved the videos and comparisons.

I for one have owned an E92 M3, and own a GT-R and I am surprised that M4 did that well against an FBO GT-R. This, if not anything, made me sure I'd be buying an M3 soon.

Just as a reference Alex, when I had just a midpipe on stock GT-R, my car was 1 car behind an ESS VT2-625 E92 M3 DCT from any roll and I'd start gaining around 120mph and close the gap. That's a stock 2012 w/ midpipes. This is why I love the outcome of jc05e46m3's races.

For a simple tune and E85 mix, his M4 is bloody fast. I think F80/F82 have great potential based on his videos.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

pro tip : the one being defensive ITT is you moving on, thank you jc for being a pioneer here and by having a real mans transmission in the car, even more kudos

deffensive of what? lol

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

You're happy that your tuned M4 gets beaten by several bus lengths and I'm the one livin in a dream world!!?

Okay, I hate to bring it to a personal level, but my tuned M4 (with EVERYTHING else stock) would lay the smack down on your supercharged M3 all day, every day.

Not to mention the room for turbo upgrades, catless exhausts, etc. I've literally heard enough from you. You clown yourself on the forums with misguided thoughts and self-righteousness. You're not fooling anyone with your trolling.

Am I happy lost to such a formidable opponent? Not happy, but with being down probably at least 150+whp and 185+wtq, I'll take what I can. I think the vast majority would agree. Thanks for playing, come again soon. I'm sure you'll be debating dyno sheets here soon enough.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by pfl

I don't think that's the point. I loved the videos and comparisons.

I for one have owned an E92 M3, and own a GT-R and I am surprised that M4 did that well against an FBO GT-R. This, if not anything, made me sure I'd be buying an M3 soon.

Thanks, man. Hope to meet you Friday. I will be up there for a bit because we are dynoing two cars and then I am doing a photoshoot with VMR. We'd love to have you.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

Okay, I hate to bring it to a personal level, but my tuned M4 (with EVERYTHING else stock) would lay the smack down on your supercharged M3 all day, every day.

Not to mention the room for turbo upgrades, catless exhausts, etc. I've literally heard enough from you. You clown yourself on the forums with misguided thoughts and self-righteousness. You're not fooling anyone with your trolling.

Am I happy lost to such a formidable opponent? Not happy, but with being down probably at least 150+whp and 185+wtq, I'll take what I can. I think the vast majority would agree. Thanks for playing, come again soon. I'm sure you'll be debating dyno sheets here soon enough.

535 kits w/ test pipes will run in the mid 11s from what I have seen. What do you think your tune only car would run out of curiosity?

Quick edit:

Not trying to discount your claim just wondering what it may run.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

Okay, I hate to bring it to a personal level, but my tuned M4 (with EVERYTHING else stock) would lay the smack down on your supercharged M3 all day, every day.

Not to mention the room for turbo upgrades, catless exhausts, etc. I've literally heard enough from you. You clown yourself on the forums with misguided thoughts and self-righteousness. You're not fooling anyone with your trolling.

Am I happy lost to such a formidable opponent? Not happy, but with being down probably at least 150+whp and 185+wtq, I'll take what I can. I think the vast majority would agree. Thanks for playing, come again soon. I'm sure you'll be debating dyno sheets here soon enough.

If you hate to bring it to personnal level then why you do it!? lol
My M3 has nothing to do with this discussion but if it makes you feel better...

Also, being down "at least 150whp" on this GT-R would put you at less then stock F8x power, not sure what map you're running anymore!! lol

[Wes Howell]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

Okay, I hate to bring it to a personal level, but my tuned M4 (with EVERYTHING else stock) would lay the smack down on your supercharged M3 all day, every day.

Not to mention the room for turbo upgrades, catless exhausts, etc. I've literally heard enough from you. You clown yourself on the forums with misguided thoughts and self-righteousness. You're not fooling anyone with your trolling.

Am I happy lost to such a formidable opponent? Not happy, but with being down probably at least 150+whp and 185+wtq, I'll take what I can. I think the vast majority would agree. Thanks for playing, come again soon. I'm sure you'll be debating dyno sheets here soon enough.

Trolls are everywhere.

I have done 5 or 6 pulls against a VF550 kit in Utah (4500' elevation) and I pull hard on it - including rolling starts in 2nd gear. In terms of overall speed, my F82 with JB4 feels very similar to my VT-2 625 kit at this elevation...if anything faster than the 625 kit when it's not wound up / at 6k+ RPM's.

FWIW, I don't miss my E92 at all.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

7.2 with no launch. Just a roll start. I have video of it.

Damn. Awesome run against him.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

If you hate to bring it to personnal level then why you do it!? lol
My M3 has nothing to do with this discussion but if it makes you feel better...

Also, being down "at least 150whp" on this GT-R would put you at less then stock F8x power, not sure what map you're running anymore!! lol

Are you high? or just plain stupid? These cars make anywhere from 600-700whp/650-720wtq on Dynojets (for comparing to the dynos that Terry and EAS have posted online) Let's take the midpoints of those and that's 650whp/685wtq assuming both dynos are slightly inflated. If I am guessing to be around 500whp/500wtq, thats where I get my numbers. How are you doing your math? Or do I need to explain WHP and BHP to you as well?

Your M3 doesn't have anything to do with it, you're right. Rather than bus lengths, it would be Disney cruise ship lengths (which is where I feel like I am right now). Like I said. Troll on, my friend.