[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

If anyone is still using the tired and false statement that the 1er M Coupe is just a faster 135i? they have never driven one. You know instantly the difference.
The same stands for the M2 regarding of what you think it is not just a faster M235i.

I guess people think that BMW pay its engineers to do absolutely nothing but just to drive around the Nurburgring and in the snow with camo cars.
And then call that "testing". And leave it up to marketing to determine if it passes.

[Colinv6]

Been a good few days now since I've been excited/frustrated about the M2 and it definitely helps pass the time. As much as I like this forum, it definatwly doesn't help the frustration when nothing new is announced and the topics on here keep repeating the same questions over and over.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by Romo

Exactly !

A friend of mine owns a 135i, I had the occasion to drive it regularly, but when stepping into my 1M wel, the 1M is miles ahead in steering, in how agile it feels, throttle respons, braking, you name it, another world, another level.....my friend loves the 1M that really tells the story.

By no means the 135i is a bad car, it is a wonderful driving machine, but soft, friendly, quiet...........just different.

I even think the 1M has sharper initial steering input compared to my Cayman GTS, you wouldn't believe it, but I really think the 1M has more direct steering feel to it.

1M has a hydraulic rack, yes? Your Cayman GTS, aka the "perfect Porsche" still uses electric. The M2 will undoubtedly have electric assisted steering as well. There's no turning back the clock on that.

[Romo]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsche

1M has a hydraulic rack, yes? Your Cayman GTS, aka the "perfect Porsche" still uses electric. The M2 will undoubtedly have electric assisted steering as well. There's no turning back the clock on that.

You are absolutely wright !

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by HotelGuy

So you have driven this mystery machine?!?

No as it is still being developed. I know some who have driven it at various stages to know that the will be indeed something special.

[SW19]

If the M2 is still under development,then it still might come with the carbon fiber roof.

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

If the M2 is still under development,then it still might come with the carbon fiber roof.

I'm betting it will

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

No as it is still being developed. I know some who have driven it at various stages to know that the will be indeed something special.

Tell us more!!!

[W///]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

If the M2 is still under development,then it still might come with the carbon fiber roof.

Not when it's this close to SOP unfortunately

[Adem1534]

Pebble Beach can't come soon enough

[dmboone25]

"Still under development" likely doesn't mean more than fine-tuning at this point - I mean these babies are supposed to be rolling off the production line in less than 6 months...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

If anyone is still using the tired and false statement that the 1er M Coupe is just a faster 135i? they have never driven one. You know instantly the difference.
The same stands for the M2 regarding of what you think it is not just a faster M235i.

If I can't distinguish the M2 from the M235 in fairly HUGE ways, then it will be a failure in my opinion. That difference was definitely apparent immediately with the 1M and 135 or 135is...

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

If I can't distinguish the M2 from the M235 in fairly HUGE ways, then it will be a failure in my opinion. That difference was definitely apparent immediately with the 1M and 135 or 135is...

Scott26 has said a bunch of times that it will be immediately apparent. I don't have time to dig up the quotes right now, but I've seen him say it multiple times, but take his word as you like, however.

1. Much different front aero with 'fangs'
2. Much different rear aero with Vision GT rear vents (4 exhaust tips, as well, of course)
3. Wider front/rear track with fender flares
4. Front fender vents unique to the M2
5. Lower stance
6. Unique wheels

I think that's a ton different already. What else would you like to see different? (curious on your additional wants). I'd say for me, in order of priority: 1. Different hood with bulge 2. CF roof 3. built in rear trunk spoiler/bulge (like m3/4) 4. Double Bubble roof

Other than that I don't think much more could be done without making it the CSL... I think it will stand out for sure even without what I listed as my desires. Plus... unique colors maybe? I don't know if DG and LBB will go to the standard M235i... I doubt it. I personally am shooting for DG, as everyone who's seen it in person has had nothing but overly positive remarks.

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7. The sound

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Scott26 has said a bunch of times that it will be immediately apparent. I don't have time to dig up the quotes right now, but I've seen him say it multiple times, but take his word as you like, however.

1. Much different front aero with 'fangs'
2. Much different rear aero with Vision GT rear vents (4 exhaust tips, as well, of course)
3. Wider front/rear track with fender flares
4. Front fender vents unique to the M2
5. Lower stance
6. Unique wheels

I think that's a ton different already. What else would you like to see different? (curious on your additional wants). I'd say for me, in order of priority: 1. Different hood with bulge 2. CF roof 3. built in rear trunk spoiler/bulge (like m3/4) 4. Double Bubble roof

Other than that I don't think much more could be done without making it the CSL... I think it will stand out for sure even without what I listed as my desires. Plus... unique colors maybe? I don't know if DG and LBB will go to the standard M235i... I doubt it. I personally am shooting for DG, as everyone who's seen it in person has had nothing but overly positive remarks.

For me, I want to see some differences in the hood/ roof. A hood bulge would be easy and distinguishable. CF roof makes too much sense. The M2 roof will be the lowest out of all the new Ms, making it the most visible. Obviously it is wishful thinking at this point, but really what are the disadvantages? Put that as a check box with $1000 next to it and many of us will check it. The only 2 reason I can possibly fathom are 1. The cost/ benefit ratio of fitting CF roof manufacturing in Lepzig is too high or 2. They don't want to step on the M3/M4's toes.. and that would be a shame. Someone send me into orbit at the speed of light until the reveal so you can save me from all this speculation and anticipation.

[vantagesc]

Originally Posted by Romo

Exactly !

A friend of mine owns a 135i, I had the occasion to drive it regularly, but when stepping into my 1M wel, the 1M is miles ahead in steering, in how agile it feels, throttle respons, braking, you name it, another world, another level.....my friend loves the 1M that really tells the story.

By no means the 135i is a bad car, it is a wonderful driving machine, but soft, friendly, quiet...........just different.

I even think the 1M has sharper initial steering input compared to my Cayman GTS, you wouldn't believe it, but I really think the 1M has more direct steering feel to it.

Even the M3 parts on my 135i plus performance suspension made a big difference and that only gets you half way to what a 1m is suspension wise...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Scott26 has said a bunch of times that it will be immediately apparent. I don't have time to dig up the quotes right now, but I've seen him say it multiple times, but take his word as you like, however.

1. Much different front aero with 'fangs'
2. Much different rear aero with Vision GT rear vents (4 exhaust tips, as well, of course)
3. Wider front/rear track with fender flares
4. Front fender vents unique to the M2
5. Lower stance
6. Unique wheels

I think that's a ton different already. What else would you like to see different? (curious on your additional wants). I'd say for me, in order of priority: 1. Different hood with bulge 2. CF roof 3. built in rear trunk spoiler/bulge (like m3/4) 4. Double Bubble roof

Other than that I don't think much more could be done without making it the CSL... I think it will stand out for sure even without what I listed as my desires. Plus... unique colors maybe? I don't know if DG and LBB will go to the standard M235i... I doubt it. I personally am shooting for DG, as everyone who's seen it in person has had nothing but overly positive remarks.

Edit:

7. The sound

I should have been more clear.

I think visually, there will be plenty of differences - the hips in the back are going to be the most noticeable, as well as the wheels and air intakes. I would have liked a hood bulge, but that seems unlikey (IMO) at this point.

I was really speaking to the drive and feel of the thing - if those attributes are significantly better than what I have now in the 235, i will be happy with the result. The chassis, suspension, and brakes are the areas where I think we can see a lot of improvement over the 235, and if they're going to give us 40 additional BHP too, then that should be good.

Just want it to be a beast in the same way that the 1M was/is - you know what I mean?

[Spook410]

Often surprised at the obsession with how the car looks around here. And the CF roof. Is it because folks are worried BMW will make it a poseur to entice well heeled but clueless young professionals to the M line?

There may be some of that. However much of how a car feels and drives is in the set up. While you may be able to do some of this outside of the factory, it takes a lot of money, insight and skill to do this sort of engineering. I expect the M2 to be what M's are: a car you use every day and then when you wish, you can take to the track and be competitive. That isn't about CF roofs or boy racer styling cues. It's about differentials, shift points, grip, brakes, steering, et al. It's also certainly about weight which is such a big cost trade. Makes me expect it will be heavy to keep cost down. But dialed in for it.

It may be great like the 1M but is more likely to be just really, really good. If it has better balance, feel, and connection than a 235, that would be very impressive and probably worth the price of admission.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Spook410

Often surprised at the obsession with how the car looks around here. And the CF roof. Is it because folks are worried BMW will make it a poseur to entice well heeled but clueless young professionals to the M line?

There may be some of that. However much of how a car feels and drives is in the set up. While you may be able to do some of this outside of the factory, it takes a lot of money, insight and skill to do this sort of engineering. I expect the M2 to be what M's are: a car you use every day and then when you wish, you can take to the track and be competitive. That isn't about CF roofs or boy racer styling cues. It's about differentials, shift points, grip, brakes, steering, et al. It's also certainly about weight which is such a big cost trade. Makes me expect it will be heavy to keep cost down. But dialed in for it.

It may be great like the 1M but is more likely to be just really, really good. If it has better balance, feel, and connection than a 235, that would be very impressive and probably worth the price of admission.

+1

it's the guts that matter. I am all for sleeper M.

Also, 1M is good but not great. Specifically it's high speed stability is not great. I am expecting that M2 will be a level above 1M as it should be dynamically better since it is fully engineered vehicle unlike 1M.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

+1

it's the guts that matter. I am all for sleeper M.

Also, 1M is good but not great. Specifically it's high speed stability is not great. I am expecting that M2 will be a level above 1M as it should be dynamically better since it is fully engineered vehicle unlike 1M.

have you driven a 1M? it is rock solid stable at high speed....not sure what you are referring to.

the M2 will definitely be more engineered than the 1M----but some of us fear that's why it may not be as enjoyable/fun/entertaining. The 1M is wild when it wants to be...in a good way. will the M2 be wild? remains to be seen...I hope so as it would be great to have a true 1M successor, rather than just a derivative M4 jr.

[Romo]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

have you driven a 1M? it is rock solid stable at high speed....not sure what you are referring to.

the M2 will definitely be more engineered than the 1M----but some of us fear that's why it may not be as enjoyable/fun/entertaining. The 1M is wild when it wants to be...in a good way. will the M2 be wild? remains to be seen...I hope so as it would be great to have a true 1M successor, rather than just a derivative M4 jr.

Well that is not quiet true, the 1M is a little bit unstable at topspeed i.e >240km/h, it gets a little light on the nose as well.

I changed the standard setup with JRZ-RS1 dampers and Eibach lowering springs, now on high speed it feels fare more secure and stable, on low speeds it is not as jumpy (for lack of a better word), and the new set up has a unbelievable road compliance, while the steering turn in gets even better.

Now of course the 1M is not made especially for high speed Autobahn cruising in the 1st place (it can be done off course), IMHO it`s more for thigh turns and twisties hence the relatively small wheelbase which makes this car so agile ! The 1M can be a real snake, it has to be driven with full attention (with the nannies of) or it will bite you !!

The coming M2 is larger, the weight thus far is unknown, but the wheelbase has grown compared to the 1M, that for sure makes the car more high speed stable, but on agility I`ll have to see if it matches the 1M.

[cc3]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

No as it is still being developed. I know some who have driven it at various stages to know that the will be indeed something special.

If Scott says still under development I wonder if BMW are tweaking it given the rave reviews cars like the Cayman GT4 are getting. The lightweight version if it comes could be a direct competitor as the 1M was with Cayman R. Further development is good news I feel.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Romo

Well that is not quiet true, the 1M is a little bit unstable at topspeed i.e >240km/h, it gets a little light on the nose as well.

I changed the standard setup with JRZ-RS1 dampers and Eibach lowering springs, now on high speed it feels fare more secure and stable, on low speeds it is not as jumpy (for lack of a better word), and the new set up has a unbelievable road compliance, while the steering turn in gets even better.

Now of course the 1M is not made especially for high speed Autobahn cruising in the 1st place (it can be done off course), IMHO it`s more for thigh turns and twisties hence the relatively small wheelbase which makes this car so agile ! The 1M can be a real snake, it has to be driven with full attention (with the nannies of) or it will bite you !!

The coming M2 is larger, the weight thus far is unknown, but the wheelbase has grown compared to the 1M, that for sure makes the car more high speed stable, but on agility I`ll have to see if it matches the 1M.

depends what you are comparing it to. If you're comparing it to a Cayman GTS then yes less stable.

If you're comparing it to a run of the mill 3-series....the 1M greatly exceeds stability and performance in terms of balance and chassis components and definitely has a sports car character that those non-M cars do not have.